Friction firelighting - what's the secret???

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I've enjoyed reasonable success in lighting fires with a bow drill over the years. I've even managed to get some coals with a hand drill. But sometimes I don't get a coal at all.... even with the same kit that I used the previous time.

What are the top tips for ensuring success with a fire drill?

What should we concentrate on as far as pressure versus speed is concerned?

If yesterday's successful fire drill is not working today, what has changed?:grumpy:

All suggestions welcome. Thanks.... Coote.
 
Man does not start fire by pressure or speed alone. Think friction. Friction creates the heat, and causes the coal dust that makes the coal. Increase the friction somehow. Your spindle and board may be glazed from use. Sandstone, sand, sandpaper....roughen the spindle tip and fireboard hole slightly. Then again, sometimes we just aren't holding our mouth right, or there is high humility.:D

Codger
 
I've enjoyed reasonable success in lighting fires with a bow drill over the years. I've even managed to get some coals with a hand drill. But sometimes I don't get a coal at all.... even with the same kit that I used the previous time. What are the top tips for ensuring success with a fire drill?

Carry a lighter.:thumbup:

It happens. The best way to guard against it is constant practice. When you're away from it, even for a short while, it becomes that much more difficult. This is especially true with the hand drill.

What should we concentrate on as far as pressure versus speed is concerned?


Both are very important. I've noticed, though, that most people, who have read all the books, etc., tend to push down too hard on the drill, thereby possibly slowing down the drill, tiring themselves out prematurely, increasing the chance of string slippage (single biggest cause of string breakage IMHO), and when you're pushing down too hard, it seems to me the charred particles you create is larger than with less pressure. The larger the charred particles, the higher the ignition temperature. It's kind of like the problem with damp wood. If the wood is damp, the char is not as fine.

If yesterday's successful fire drill is not working today, what has changed?

Probably the relative humidity in the air. One time I was demonstrating the process to a friend of mine. It was a humid day, and though I was getting lots of smoke - no coal. I switched to a Cedar (Thuja occidentalis) board and drill (the original was Willow [Salix spp.], I think) and had a coal straight away. The Cedar seems to be more resistant to absorbing moisture than the Willow. Also, you may be just a little more tired than yesterday, and may be affecting your speed/pressure. If you stay up all night sampling the local distillery's finest, it does make it difficult the next day. And, of course, you might have done something, that day, to piss off the fire gods. :)

doc
 
I find putting a small notvh in the base works well.
When my youngest was in grade 7 she did a fire drill demo for here class when they were studing ancient cultures.
We could not get the fire drill to work until we put the notch in the bottom
 
The secret of friction fire is this. Wether you get a coal or not after a short while you will no longer be cold. Mac
 
coote said:
I've enjoyed reasonable success in lighting fires with a bow drill over the years.
I've done a few ones and I unfortunatly don't train enough, so I'm far from a specialist, but here is some experience and some tips from people who know...

What are the top tips for ensuring success with a fire drill?
Ensuring success? Use the right wood: juniper, holly (not sure my english translation what I actually mean) and a few other ones. When you've been struggling for hours with maple, and you see a guys who get an ember in a few strokes he generally have the right wood... This has been said already, but even primitives, when they find the right wood, stick to it for a while.

What should we concentrate on as far as pressure versus speed is concerned?
I'd say speed over pressure. You don't need too much pressure. It can help but it make speed more difficult while it is the most important part.

If yesterday's successful fire drill is not working today, what has changed?:grumpy:
Temperature, moisture, part of the wood you use, human factor...
 
Thanks for the comments.

We have holly growing here that I believe came from Britain. It has a glossy dark green leaf, and the leaf has several sharp barbs around it. It has red berries in winter. It is the "Deck the halls with boughs of.... fa la la la la la la la la la" variety. I must cut some and get it drying out so I can try it.

While we're talking about holly, I noticed that the tree next door has some very straight shoots growing from the base. Good for fire drills or arrows maybe.

I recall a guy called Tony, or Riverrat, that used to post on PrimitiveArcher. He was a good keen man when it came to primitive technology. He used to make bows from the holly he had growing nearby in the USA. I assume that this will be a different variety though. Dunno what happened to Riverrat..... it would be good to hear some more from him.
 
Yes... I think there may have been a riverrattony at paleoplanet, but I haven't spent enough time going through the old posts to suss out whether it is the guy I knew or not. I think he was from Ohio. I used to enjoy his posts... he was really enthusiastic.
 
coote said:
Thanks for the comments.
We have holly growing here that I believe came from Britain. It has a glossy dark green leaf, and the leaf has several sharp barbs around it. It has red berries in winter. It is the "Deck the halls with boughs of.... fa la la la la la la la la la" variety. I must cut some and get it drying out so I can try it.
STOOOOPP!!! :eek:

Well actually, as I feared, I fumbled my translation.
I actually meant IVY, not HOLLY. :cool:

My bad. :D :D

Actually, about Ivy, after some search, many book authors list it as very good for bow drill, and I've seen it work very well myself, but many people on the internet find it poor. Go figure. I guess it is good as a board but poor as a spindle.

Anyway most people agree that wood is very important, and here is a list most people agree at:

Eastern White Cedar
Staghorn Sumac
Most Willows
Balsam Fir
Aspens and Poplars
Basswood
Spruces
 
Thanks Ravaillac. I have some ivy growing nearby, but it doesn't appear to have thick enough stems.... maybe this is because it is just growing on the ground. I may have to find some growing up a wall to get some thick stuff.

There is a carol about ivy as well.... "The Holly and the Ivy"...
 
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