From the book of Edgeclesiastes

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Page 55 was the source for the cataclysmic schism.

Brother Curtis saw Juranitch's recommendation to choose 100 grit over 36 or 60 for grinding wheels and rightfully applied such logic to all of his abrasives choices. I saw Juranitch's recommendation to get the coarsest benchstone possible (back in 1985 C.E.) and incorrectly applied it to all sources of coarse abrasives. Bishop Johnston recommended Norzon 4.5" wheels on a good quality hand grinder and refused to offer one fig of difference about Juranitch's opinions.

Elsewhere in the sharpening holy book, Juranitch wrote that an edge should be no thicker than 0.02" a quarter of an inch back from the edge for a knife to get as sharp as possible. Assuming a flat or hollow-grind, that makes for a knife-shaped edge on a knife-like object and there is great rejoicing. That the zealots of a lesser-understood crede want thick edges yet refuse to twist, hammer, and pry with their knives and often refuse to choose steels with high impact resistance and high deformation resistance should be no concern. Let the enlightened reply "pew pew pew" in mock weeping when the zealots blurt contradictory information and point to their idols instead of attempting to explain their positions with facts and non-contradictory identification.

Yay, blessed art our D8XX's, the green brick, and the pink brick. Yowza!
 
You're supposed to use the bricks to sharpen knives and flatten stones, not cut a piece off and smoke it, Thom! :D

Great. Now that I know about the D8XX and D8EE, my money is blown for a month or more....
 
Yea, I say unto thee, brother Thom: Giveth a wise man but a simple, fine ceramic to addeth a microbevel of high polish, that he may maketh do with nearly any medium or coarse benchstone before it.
 
thombrogan said:
Elsewhere in the sharpening holy book, Juranitch wrote that an edge should be no thicker than 0.02" a quarter of an inch back from the edge for a knife to get as sharp as possible.
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He should have read the book of Swaim and realized that sharpness and cutting ability are distinct. This of course would have only been possible with the ability to preread books before they are commited to paper which is at times a bit difficult.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
He should have read the book of Swaim and realized that sharpness and cutting ability are distinct. This of course would have only been possible with the ability to preread books before they are commited to paper which is at times a bit difficult.
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Prophets work miracles and sharpness has numerous, nebulous definitions.

The sharpness of the cutting implement is intrinsically entwined with the matter receiving separation and the manner in which it is separated. Yay, one may attain a hair-splitting edge with a perfectly-aligned, highly polished edge of 90 included degrees; Sal Glesser has been witnessed cutting paper with the spines of knives with such conditions; but there are upper bounds beyond which no amount of alignment or polishing will help for at 180 included degrees, an edge ceases to have two surfaces and ceases to be an edge.

For your penance, read Swaim 3:22 on coarse-finished fillet knives and Goo's Geometric Psalms (including "Cleave It") while flicking the blades on your Batman knife.
 
Amen, brother! You have raised the D8XX to idol status in my household, it has the power to turn thick edges into thin edges and a pile of steel dust in no time flat! It makes me want to sharpen every knife I see flat to the stone to show off it's powers! I would wear it around a chain on my neck to show my devotion to it, but I would need a Mr. T spec chain to hold all that weight, and that money would be better spent on a D8EE and several knives. Oh yeah, I have a bum neck and upper back after a car accident from a couple years ago, so maybe we need a special run of D2XX's for our mobile idolitry.

Mike
 
A D2XX would be very handy. Not necessarily to use as an icon, but that's okay, too. I worry, though, about revering these objects and their abilities to correct manufacturers' oversights. Will they nudge the world's cutlers to accept Thin is In and Flat is where it's At or cause a religious backlash in countries where scarcity or cultural emphases on geometry provide blades with closer-to-ideal dimensions?
 
thombrogan said:
Will they nudge the world's cutlers to accept Thin is In and Flat is where it's At or cause a religious backlash in countries where scarcity or cultural emphases on geometry provide blades with closer-to-ideal dimensions?
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Thom,, keep this up and your going to have to move to a new convex mafia safehouse. :D The head of 'The Family' does not take kindly to people disagreeing with him and never hesitates to send out his goons. :eek:

Off I go to grind one of my knives flat to the stone. :thumbup: Stay safe and watch your back. ;)

-DD
 
DirkDiggler said:
Off I go to grind one of my knives flat to the stone.
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Careful! It's time consuming and your knife will cut much better. Time is a prescious commodity and realizing that your knife shipped with excess steel on its edge is frustrating.

The Capo di Tutti de Convexa knows that what's heralded as flat would make a convex edge if only applied to an infinitely large circle.
 
You can be both thin and convexed. Thinnly convexed? LOL
I just had to post in a Edgeclesiastes thread. Great name!
 
Aside from the infinitely tall circle, thin is in; flat is where it's at. The actual edge may end up convexed from human error or wear in use, but praise goes towards striving to reflect the infinite. We bow prostrate (not prostate) before the shrine of the D8XX and strive for excellence, not for 'good enough.' Were that the case, my freehand edges, convexed all, would praised for their beauty and not their performance. We shall not let extraneous steel be in our way. We shall not falter before the sharpening altar.
 
Thanks for the kind words, db.

I, too, like thinnly convexed edges, but cannot venerate them in comparison to flat edges.
 
Please forgive me I've been pretty sick for the last 2 weeks. In no way did I mean to be kind at all and if it appears that I was I'm truely sorry. :) Both pretty and thinnly convexed? What is this world coming too. :)
 
That's how you taught me to sharpen them (pretty and thinly convexed) and that's how I do it.

Convexed edges are just a way to cut corners. ;)

Hope you're feeling better soon.
 
I've found it easier to hog away steel with a hollow grinder and then scrub the blade on a coarse hone until it straightens out. Not having a variable speed grinder with an 20" diameter wheel, it's about as good as I can do.
 
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