Frustrated with free handing

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Hey, guys. I'm frustrated. I am trying to learn how to free hand well and seem to be failing miserably. I have one of the Smith's tri-hones, a sharp maker and just ordered a 6" DMT coarse/fine. I have a strop I made myself. Does anyone know of anybody within a couple hours of the Boston area who teaches a sharpening class? I have watched endless YouTube videos, read tons of articles and can't quite seem to pull it together. I learn a lot better if I have someone standing there saying, ok, this is what you're doing wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kristopher
 
Have you tried the sharpie trick? I don't do it for every sharpening but if I'm frustrated with a knife it usually gives me some clarity. What knife are you having troubles with ?
 
I have tried the sharpie trick. That's just it, the knives I'm frustrated with are the ones that are supposed to be the easiest to sharpen, an opinel and a mora. I figured I had better start with the easy knives and then try to sharpen some of my more expensive ones. I just seem to have a lot of trouble.

Kristopher
 
Build the burr, refine the burr, remove the burr, and use an abrasive strop.

I am also bad at freehanding but those steps are my guideline and I can achieve phonebook-paper-slicing sharpness.
 
I have tried the sharpie trick. That's just it, the knives I'm frustrated with are the ones that are supposed to be the easiest to sharpen, an opinel and a mora. I figured I had better start with the easy knives and then try to sharpen some of my more expensive ones. I just seem to have a lot of trouble.

Kristopher

Those knives are two different beasts... Are you changing your technique depending on the type of grind? An opinel is a convex grind and is best on a strop. A Mora is a scandi and really you just lay the knife on the primary bevel as there is no secondary bevel.

You would be best starting on a knife with a normal primary and secondary sharpening bevel.
 
When I first started watching you tube videos etc...etc... I cheated a bit and used a 3/4 binder clip as an angle guide. Using only light pressure with your fingertips and going through each stones, you can feel the friction easing as you sharpen the blades. With those knives, try the Japanese whetstone method with a binder clip it does a pretty good job that way with a tri-stone.
 
Just keep practicing, one day everything will just click believe me it just did for me. Once it clicks for you youll realize how easy it is
 
Have a look at these two vids, as presented by BF member 'jackknife'. He just happens to be demonstrating some very simple ways to sharpen an Opinel, though the techniques are universal to any blade.

The post in the quote box below is from this thread started by (and videos recorded by) member 'Downhill Trucker' (Thanks! to both of you):

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1029230-New-to-Sharpening-Need-help!

Sorry that it has taken me so long to get the videos uploaded. First off, I want to thank jackknife (Carl) for his help. He is a remarkable fellow and took the time to explain to me in clear, concise simplicity, the key to sharpening a knife. After merely filming the first video, I sat down and had a dull knife sharp in 5 minutes. Carl is a master of his craft and should be watched closely. Here is the much anticipated first video... Sorry, I am by no means a video guy and have no editing skills. The good news is that Carl makes it simple and easy. A great teacher...

Instinctive Knife Sharpening:
[video=youtube;SEMLu8e34ck]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEMLu8e34ck&feature=youtu.be[/video]

After the initial sharpening lesson, we found a rock and a piece of brick nearby. He dulled the knife and sharpened it with these two objects:
[video=youtube;Twduvki8m90]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twduvki8m90&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Thanks again to the forum members who gave me great info. I have some work to do at sharpening but this has been a great start. Enjoy the videos.


David
 
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Hey, guys. I'm frustrated. I am trying to learn how to free hand well and seem to be failing miserably. I have one of the Smith's tri-hones, a sharp maker and just ordered a 6" DMT coarse/fine. I have a strop I made myself. Does anyone know of anybody within a couple hours of the Boston area who teaches a sharpening class? I have watched endless YouTube videos, read tons of articles and can't quite seem to pull it together. I learn a lot better if I have someone standing there saying, ok, this is what you're doing wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kristopher

Kristopher, the very first thing you have to do is relax, and put everything you've heard about knife sharpening out of your mind. You are most likely over thinking it. I've taught a boat load of people how to sharpen, and in almost every case, they were over thinking it, and trying too hard. Forget about angles, moicro bevels and gadgets. Have a drink and relax.

When I was in the army, I was stationed for a while in Italy, where we army engineers were working on an air base doing some concrete work on some runways. Ihad a little off base apartment I had rented from an Italian lady, and when we got off at 1600 hours, I went home to shower and get ready for the evening. I saw that every day about 1700 hours, (that's 5pm for civilians) that all the older Italian lades would get rady t start dinner. Processed food and instant meals didn't get done over there. They made dinner from scratch.

They would come out and take that old dark gray bladed butcher knife out to the well worn stone steps on the front of their place, and sharpen up the knife for use. I asked to see one of them one day, the old signora handed me the knife and I felt waht was a very sharp edge. More than good enough to slice up veil, sausage, ham, or whatever. If an old Italian lady can do this, you can do.

Take a stone. Any decent stone will do. Diamond, silica oxide, Arkansas washita, a Norton India, whatever. Take your knife, and lay on the stone just like you're gonna saw the thing in half. Now lay the blade over to about halfway to flat on the stone. That's about 45 degrees, give or take a bit. We don't care about exact angle because it won't make a difference. Now that you are about half way. lay the blade over some more until you cut that distance in half. This should put you about the right angle. Mid 20 something degrees. Good enough. Don't worry about a little difference.

Now, without taking the blade off the stone, start honing in small circles starting at the kick, (base of the blade by the little nick) and very slowly moving up toward the tip of the blade. Don't try too hard! This is a relaxed thing to do, so don't tense up. After about a minute to minute and a half, you should be at the blade tip. Look at the blade edge, and you should see a nice fresh line of new edge. If you have trouble with this, darken up the edge with a dry erase marker, and try again. After you get one side done, just turn the knife over and do it again on the other side. Repeat as needed. Don't tense up, stay relaxed and loose. Listen to the sound of the knife on the stone, and it should be like a steady shhh, shhh, swishing sound. The feel of the blade on the stone, the sound of the blade on the stone, all should become an instinctive thing. People get way too wrapped up in too much technical information that they don't need to worry about. Think of free hand sharpening a knife as just like shooting a recurve or long bow instinctively. You don't look at the arrow, you don't look at anything exempt what you want to hit. When shooting a traditional bow, you clear your head of everything. The more you think about it, the worse it gets.

Just take a knife in your right hand, if your right handed, and a stone in your left, and play with it, and get to know the feel of it. Once it comes to you, it will be sooooo simple, you'll wonder why you didn't see it before. And you will have it always, anywhere, at any time. No gadgets needed. Just a smooth piece of stone or brick, or coffee mug, and you will have a sharp knife.

I hope the video's help you, please feel free to email me if you have questions. Who knows, Boston is not that far up the coast from Washington D.C.:D

Carl.
 
Kristopher, the very first thing you have to do is relax, and put everything you've heard about knife sharpening out of your mind. You are most likely over thinking it. I've taught a boat load of people how to sharpen, and in almost every case, they were over thinking it, and trying too hard. Forget about angles, moicro bevels and gadgets. Have a drink and relax.

When I was in the army, I was stationed for a while in Italy, where we army engineers were working on an air base doing some concrete work on some runways. Ihad a little off base apartment I had rented from an Italian lady, and when we got off at 1600 hours, I went home to shower and get ready for the evening. I saw that every day about 1700 hours, (that's 5pm for civilians) that all the older Italian lades would get rady t start dinner. Processed food and instant meals didn't get done over there. They made dinner from scratch.

They would come out and take that old dark gray bladed butcher knife out to the well worn stone steps on the front of their place, and sharpen up the knife for use. I asked to see one of them one day, the old signora handed me the knife and I felt waht was a very sharp edge. More than good enough to slice up veil, sausage, ham, or whatever. If an old Italian lady can do this, you can do.

Take a stone. Any decent stone will do. Diamond, silica oxide, Arkansas washita, a Norton India, whatever. Take your knife, and lay on the stone just like you're gonna saw the thing in half. Now lay the blade over to about halfway to flat on the stone. That's about 45 degrees, give or take a bit. We don't care about exact angle because it won't make a difference. Now that you are about half way. lay the blade over some more until you cut that distance in half. This should put you about the right angle. Mid 20 something degrees. Good enough. Don't worry about a little difference.

Now, without taking the blade off the stone, start honing in small circles starting at the kick, (base of the blade by the little nick) and very slowly moving up toward the tip of the blade. Don't try too hard! This is a relaxed thing to do, so don't tense up. After about a minute to minute and a half, you should be at the blade tip. Look at the blade edge, and you should see a nice fresh line of new edge. If you have trouble with this, darken up the edge with a dry erase marker, and try again. After you get one side done, just turn the knife over and do it again on the other side. Repeat as needed. Don't tense up, stay relaxed and loose. Listen to the sound of the knife on the stone, and it should be like a steady shhh, shhh, swishing sound. The feel of the blade on the stone, the sound of the blade on the stone, all should become an instinctive thing. People get way too wrapped up in too much technical information that they don't need to worry about. Think of free hand sharpening a knife as just like shooting a recurve or long bow instinctively. You don't look at the arrow, you don't look at anything exempt what you want to hit. When shooting a traditional bow, you clear your head of everything. The more you think about it, the worse it gets.

Just take a knife in your right hand, if your right handed, and a stone in your left, and play with it, and get to know the feel of it. Once it comes to you, it will be sooooo simple, you'll wonder why you didn't see it before. And you will have it always, anywhere, at any time. No gadgets needed. Just a smooth piece of stone or brick, or coffee mug, and you will have a sharp knife.

I hope the video's help you, please feel free to email me if you have questions. Who knows, Boston is not that far up the coast from Washington D.C.:D

Carl.

Thank you, Carl! Maybe I am over thinking it. I'm going to give it another shot on Monday and see how things turn out.

Kristopher
 
Carl knows what he's talking about. He's helped many a member here. If you can actually get him up to Boston (or get yourself down to the metro DC region), I'd do it!

I'd also check out knifenut's videos (YouTube channel is MrEdgy81). Pay attention especially to hand placement and movement and listen when he's talking. You'll learn a lot. Watch Murray Carter's DVD's, too, if you want to buy them. I've watched them several times (he has two: basic and advanced).

As for equipment, you've got everything you need. Use the tri-hone with WD-40 or Lansky honing oil. Those are both fairly light oils (yes, the oil weight matters) and will float swarf appropriately. Either that or degrease and use a diluted Simple Green solution.

Practice, practice, practice. Read all the stickies on this subforum that are actually about sharpening and helping you sharpen.

Now then, not to toot my own horn, but if you want to read something that "pulls it all together," which you say you are having difficulty with, read my sticky here. I wrote it just for this purpose.
 
Yea Mag, toot away, for it represents a beacon of light to help those lost in the fog searching for blade sharpening insight. You may refer to it as tooting, but it's music to my ears. Thanks-Ace
 
A few little tips. Always use a grit appropriate to the task at hand. Always use a fast cutting coarse grit when you first sharpen a knife, your natural angle will always be a bit different from a factory or other person's edge. Most of my frustration when learning how to sharpen was trying to hold an angle to resharpen a blade that was wayyyy off both what my hands wanted to do and what was best for the knife. When freehanding, doing what "feels right" is usually better than trying to force yourself to get an arbitrary result.
 
Nice vid's there! Glad there are others like minded that you don't need super special stuff to sharpen a knife.

Stone in hand, I've recently moved to doing that lately, these couple of Norton slip stones work great, at 3 1/2" long they are small enough to carry to work or elsewhere, also have the Spyderco Double stuff, use the leather pouch as a makeshift strop if need be, but between these stones you can get a hair shaving edge pretty quickly.
A friend, Tim Wright, gave me a tip to use Lighter Fluid to clean the stones off, that works GREAT not something you'd always carry with you but you can keep some handy to clean out the steel grit. I use these stones dry, no oil, no mess...

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G2
 
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