Full Contact No Armor Event!

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Hello Everyone,

Many people talk about it, some may try it but here is your opportunity to do it!

Sayoc Fighting Systems Presents a Full Contact Stick Fighting “No Armor” Event!

Weekend of October 16th, in upstate Pennsylvania.

This is an open invitation to fight, all styles are welcome, no spectators participants only! Challenge yourself, to a No rules, full contact Stick fight. Matches will end when either you or your opponent is knocked out, or submits.

NO ARMOR is allowed only a mouthpiece, and protective cup.

Rattan sticks between 1"-2" in diameter 30" long

If there is enough interest a similar event can be held at your location!!

For more information go to www.Sayoc.com, and reply to the similar post on the forum.

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.
 
hello Guru Steve, just curious to find out...is there any prize $ involved? maybe that would generate some serious interests as well. ;)

gumagalang po.
-mike e
 
Hello Mike,

I do not believe that there is any "prize" other than the ability to tell yourself that you did it.

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.
 
Totally cool fellas - that was some scary stuff! Makes MMA look tame by comparisson ;)

I have heard good things about the Sayoc system but I'm not very knowledgeable about FMA or the politics involved so don't get angry for my ignorance in asking; Tell me, are you in any way affiliated with the Dog Brothers?

Also, I remember going to an Arnis / Kali / Escrima seminar some years ago in Kissimee Florida at someone's house; maybe 1995 or 1996 (?) - there was a cookout & at least 50 people there. It was alot of fun and I was very impressed!

I was attending an Aki-Jujitsu school in Orange City FL at the time and Guru "Rafe" (not sure of his full name - he used to do ice sculptures for Disney at the itme though) was their Escrima instructor (they had a weekly class that was seperate from the other programs at the school). A bunch of us went down to Kissimee for the day... Not sure who gave the seminar - there were many instructors present AND its been many years, however, the name (Sayoc) sounds familiar... Maybe Mike Sayoc?!?!? I'm not sure.

Anyway - do you have representatives in the Orlando area?

Thanks again for posting the cool video!

Take care,

James O'Neill
 
hi James...that was Raffy Pambuan and my instructor Gat Puno Abon Baet.
he does "no armor" as well...his system is called Garimot.
 
Hello James,

Please give my regards to Gat Puno Baet, Raffy Pambuan, and yes Mike Sayoc is who you are probably remembering. Mike is Tuhon Chris Sayoc's brother. Tuhon Rafael Kayanan, and Tuhon Ray Dionaldo may have been the ones you met at that event.

As for the DogBrothers, Guro Marc Denny is a Sayoc Kali practitioner, as well as several other Sayoc members are practitioners of the DBMA, but there is no affiliation between the two groups other than cross training, and support to push the FMA to the public.

Gumagalang

Guro Steve L.


www.Bujinkandojo.net
 
Maybe I am a wimp, but this Irish boy has been in more than a couple of street conflicts, but that just looked plain painful. Would love to watch the tournaments, but even the training that it takes to participate in this kind of combat seems like it would be grueling. I'm studying martial arts to not get the $hit kicked out of me I might as well walk into some big biker bar and ask who has the cute little bikes outside? Before I saw the video I thought that I would like to train in some stick fighting at one point, but I just lost all interest in any training that looks like that. Clay
 
You need to put this in perspective. You can walk into the gym where a MMA fighter trains, learn to punch and grapple, but not have to enter the UFC (or train like you're going to enter the UFC). Sayoc is a fine system -- not everyone who trains in it enters these tournaments. Hell, the vast majority of folks who train in it don't enter this kind of tournament. My hat's off to those that did though!
 
Hello Everyone,

Joe, you are so correct! Most people don't readily volunteer to put their bodies in this kind of situation on a regular basis. Prior to WEKAF gear being pushed, most training took place in a similar but tightly controlled environment, peoples skill level quickly came up to learn how to deal with this type of harsh reality. There are many systems and Instructors who have done and still do this type of training but it is not for everyone.

Gumagalang

Guro Steve L.

www.Bujinkandojo.net
 
Thanks for the perspective. Joe, I do see some of the competitors that come to the UFC matches that already look fairly beating up before the match begins. The matches do show that a motivated agressor will not stop at one or two strikes with a stick. I know that I have alot to learn so thanks for your welcomed responses to a couple of my posts already. Clay
 
[ but I just lost all interest in any training that looks like that. Clay[/QUOTE]

that's the bad part about this kind of training...not everyone is "Conan the Barbarian". traditionally this kind of challenge is done with other schools. Except for the province of Paete, Laguna, Philippines...there is a time of the year (fiesta) when eskrimadors perform the traditional Moro-moro Dance. then after that the all out challenge follows on the street. during Moro-mor everyone wears a mask and a participants has to wear different mask each year so you do not know who you are fighting. it is typical that you will fight someone from the same camp or even your own relative.

the big difference from the video clip is that there is no grappling...because traditionally it is promoted as an edge awareness art. but of course the fighters do not stop until they are knocked out or severely beaten.

the addition of grappling to this art when stick fighting is fairly knew promoted by or as discovered by Dog Bros. (Kali Tudo) they work with the Machado Bros. but of course now a days we work with sticks so we are a little bit moe willing to sacrifice a hit to the arm in order to close the gap for a takedown. but this is not to say that there is no grappling curriculum in traditional FMA blade fighting.

interesting point also is that UFC actually refused Dog Bros to issue such fights in there arena.

Garimot stick work is based on bladed weapons therefore shooting in on the opponent is not promoted. tussling position usually happens when you try to check or disarm your opponent's checking hand...this is where grappling comes into play.

sorry for any run on sentences...gotta go to lunch.

keep practicing safely, and fight unfairly... ;)
 
That was an amazing clip...too intense for me though...I like my teeth right where they are...
 
Ahh, a good mouthpiece would be recomended but I think it would be sufficient. Heck, you could even use boxing headgear maybe?!?!

This type of training is not something to undertake with complete strangers in my opinion - and not more than once a year either. However, if you train for it and trust your training partners... I might be presuaded! Definately would have when I was in my 20's - have to think a bit more about it now but I'd definately consider it under the right circumstances.

...Of course no one has ever accussed me of being particularly sane though :eek:
 
Just a note:

Sayoc Stick Work is based on stick.
Sayoc Kali is based on blade.

This way the students do not confuse the stick with the blade. Two VERY different methods with SOME crossover. However, sometimes you can end a stick match much faster and safer using methods that would not be recommended if it were a blade. For example, many of the submissions using the stick as a constrictor or lever tool can not be done with a blade due to the 'edge' pressed against your own skin.

With a blade, it is less about the power but accuracy.

--Rafael--
 
Good point! Unfortunately I think some people believe they are learning "knife fighting" anytime they participate in Arnis / Escrima / Kali and it just isn't so. I think there is some crossover but there are definately techniques I have seen with the stick that would not apply to the knife. And vice-versa...
 
Sunhelmet, totally agree. Stick is not knife with a stick in your hand instead.
Also, targeting is very different. Stick does the most damage when it encounters bone (knees, clavicles, skulls, etc..) The knife is most effective when it goes between, behind and around bones to hit major arteries, veins, tendons, ligaments (soft tissue structures.)
 
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