Full Serrated Millitary ?

bump for curiosity. I love serrated knives but the truth is they just dont sell for some reason. though i do wish they would put the serrations on the other side.
 
Back in 93 when the Millies first came out, I bought a CPM440V plain edge and an ATS-34 serrated edge (back then, the machinery could not serrate a CPM steel blade, imagine that!). Later sold the serrated as I am not a fan of them. But I wish I had kept that one, as they are rare as a hens tooth nowadays. All I see nowadays are partial serrations, which I am also not a fan of.
 
cbxer55 said:
All I see nowadays are partial serrations, which I am also not a fan of.
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i look at them as a way to convert ppl to the serrated edge. evidence on the same knife of everything being equal and the serrations performing better.

though i steer away from them myself since they are a serious PITA to sharpen.

but sometimes you need a plain edge and sometimes you dont

off topic but they should bring the micro dyad back into full production great little knife
 
I've yet to come upon anything a serrated edge will cut, that a seriously sharpened plain edge will not. The sole advantage of the serrated edge is that when the tips get dull, the inner concave area may still be sharp. Any full serrated knives I once had have long ago been sold as useless scrap. I have one remaining old Endura, which I'll hang onto, but never use.
 
The standard CPM-S30V Military Se has been discontinued. It was announced last year. Some are still available, but you have to look around for them. You might have to pay a slight premium though. Lots of people feel that a SE will not "cut", however, it will cut longer than a PE will on some materials. It's the sharpening that always threw people for a loop. They did not want to take the time to learn to correctly sharpen a SE knife. It isn't hard at all.
cbxer55 said:
I've yet to come upon anything a serrated edge will cut, that a seriously sharpened plain edge will not. The sole advantage of the serrated edge is that when the tips get dull, the inner concave area may still be sharp. Any full serrated knives I once had have long ago been sold as useless scrap. I have one remaining old Endura, which I'll hang onto, but never use.
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Success with a fully SE depends on many things, one of which is the angle at which you approach the cut. I find that slicing the surface, rather than starting at the edge worked a lot better. I have a SE Endura and 4 SE Paramilitary knives that have seen tons of use and have held a great edge, still shave hair and slices paper with ease. Different strokes I guess.
 
RevDevil said:
The standard CPM-S30V Military Se has been discontinued. It was announced last year. Some are still available, but you have to look around for them. You might have to pay a slight premium though. Lots of people feel that a SE will not "cut", however, it will cut longer than a PE will on some materials. It's the sharpening that always threw people for a loop. They did not want to take the time to learn to correctly sharpen a SE knife. It isn't hard at all.


Success with a fully SE depends on many things, one of which is the angle at which you approach the cut. I find that slicing the surface, rather than starting at the edge worked a lot better. I have a SE Endura and 4 SE Paramilitary knives that have seen tons of use and have held a great edge, still shave hair and slices paper with ease. Different strokes I guess.
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Ok- how do you shave hair with a SE? I've been trying to figure that out forever because that's my test for being halfway done being sharpened and it screwed up my methods if I can't...
 
cbxer55 said:
I've yet to come upon anything a serrated edge will cut, that a seriously sharpened plain edge will not. The sole advantage of the serrated edge is that when the tips get dull, the inner concave area may still be sharp. Any full serrated knives I once had have long ago been sold as useless scrap. I have one remaining old Endura, which I'll hang onto, but never use.
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i used to say the same thing until I tried trimming some very hard plastic. "slicing" that with a plain edge does just about nothing, whereas the SE can saw through it. The same with cutting through dense branches or something. That saw effect really does help in those cases. I still prefer plain edge for just about everything, though.
 
I find that a serrated edge will go through clam shell packages, cardboard and many other things easier than even a killer-sharp plain edge. But you can still do detail work, peel an apple, sharpen a pencil, etc.

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Military.
 
One of my biggest regrets in all my Spyderco buying, selling and trading was when I traded my 440V, SE Military. That was truly a wrecking bar of a knife and I used to carry it with me to work when I knew I had some rough cutting I was going to be faced with. I used my full SE, 440V Military model to cut through some very tough and fibrous materials and I very rarely had to sharpen the blade because it hardly ever got dull.

Since I traded the SE Military I now use a fully serrated, Golden Colorado made, 440V Spyder for my rough cutting needs. The full SE Native is truly a brute of a knife in it's own rite but as nice as it is it still doesn't have the brute force that the full SE Military model had. I will land another 440V, SE Military model in the near future and I won't let it go.

I'm truly sad to hear that Spyderco is discontinuing some of it's flagship SE models. Spyderco's Spyderedge truly helped them to stand out ahead of most production knives and I do hope this trend changes soon. JD
 
JD Spydo said:
One of my biggest regrets in all my Spyderco buying, selling and trading was when I traded my 440V, SE Military. That was truly a wrecking bar of a knife and I used to carry it with me to work when I knew I had some rough cutting I was going to be faced with. I used my full SE, 440V Military model to cut through some very tough and fibrous materials and I very rarely had to sharpen the blade because it hardly ever got dull.

Since I traded the SE Military I now use a fully serrated, Golden Colorado made, 440V Spyder for my rough cutting needs. The full SE Native is truly a brute of a knife in it's own rite but as nice as it is it still doesn't have the brute force that the full SE Military model had. I will land another 440V, SE Military model in the near future and I won't let it go.

I'm truly sad to hear that Spyderco is discontinuing some of it's flagship SE models. Spyderco's Spyderedge truly helped them to stand out ahead of most production knives and I do hope this trend changes soon. JD
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I agree with everything here that JD's posted.
Over the past couple of years I've become completely reliant on my SE Millie's and lately rather obsessive about them..... anyway I have absolutely no qualms about carrying this as my primary EDC, the versatility of the SE Millie combined with the resilience of 440V put this knife in a league all of it's own. I own both early and 'late' model 440v SE Millies, these knives are worked hard and as I dont collect I think I might have to start buying "pre in need replacements" and get the whole set. FWIW, from the little research that I've done it appears that there have been seven (possibly eight) variants over the years of the SE Millie, it looks like I've some hoardin to do. Now how about that S90V SE millie Sal??

Bo
 
bodankers said:
I agree with everything here that JD's posted.
Over the past couple of years I've become completely reliant on my SE Millie's and lately rather obsessive about them..... anyway I have absolutely no qualms about carrying this as my primary EDC, the versatility of the SE Millie combined with the resilience of 440V put this knife in a league all of it's own. I own both early and 'late' model 440v SE Millies, these knives are worked hard and as I dont collect I think I might have to start buying "pre in need replacements" and get the whole set. FWIW, from the little research that I've done it appears that there have been seven (possibly eight) variants over the years of the SE Millie, it looks like I've some hoardin to do. Now how about that S90V SE millie Sal??

Bo
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And I agree with all you have posted "Bodankers" :) I believe the very first fully serrated Military model was the ATS-34 model from the mid 90s. Unfortunately I never ever got to test drive one those variants of a great Spyderedged model of the C-36 but I still believe that the 440V may have been the meanest and toughest Spyderedged C-36 out there.

Oh heck yes that I think many of us would jump on an S90V Military model in Spyderedge (full). As great as 440V held an edge in the serrated version I could only imagine how good the S90V would be. It's no wonder that the C-36 has withstood the test of time because it is like many of Sal's designs>> it's a brute of a knife and superbly designed.
 
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