Full tang woes

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Hey all.
I have made a few full tang knives and most have turned out great, but on some there is epoxy showing due to the tang not being balls on straight. I was wondering what yall's techniques are for straightening knife tangs and/or making sure they are perfect.
Thanks.
 
I get it as close as possible with the grinder first. Then I flatten the tang on a precision ground flat disc grinder and adhered sand paper (I bought the disc from Beaumont Metal Works and matched it to a 3/4 hp motor running off a VFD for variable speed control). You can also lap the tang and the scales on a surface plate or flat piece of glass/granite using sand paper and moving in a figure eight motion. If you go straight back and forth, the tendency is for the piece to rock and take a bit too much off of the end of the tang.

--nathan
 
The biggest trick I can impart on folks is to make a shallow hollow in the tang when they shape it. Use the corner of the contact wheel to gouge the center of the tang a bit. It doesn't need to be pretty, and it doesn't need to be deep. It only needs to be .01 or so deep to make a big difference in the fit. leave a 1/8-1/4" margin around the recess. The tang then can be quickly flattened without fear of rounding the edges....because all you are sanding is the edges. I do the same thing with the underside of the scales prior to flattening them, too.
Obviously, you need to mark where the scales will fit before grinding the hollow in.

This also creates a shallow reservoirs that allows some epoxy to remain, no matter how hard the clamp squeezes the scales to the tang. The number one reason for scales popping loose from the tang is a glue starved joint.

When fitting a one piece handle to a stick tang, use the same basic technique. Chamfer the handle end around the tang hole back from the edge, leaving only a small rim to contact the guard. Making adjustments will be quick and easy when only the perimeter is touching.
Another trick for fitting a stick tang handle once the chamfer is cut is to use a pencil and darken the rim. Place the handle on the tang and press firmly against the guard, giving the handle a little twisting motion as you press....just a few degrees of twist left and right.
Remove and look at the rim and the guard. The pencil mark should be rubbed off the handle in the high spots, and there should be a mark on the guard where the high place sat. A few light strokes with a file will quickly get things to a perfect fit.

On both handle types, the glue up will be easier ,and have as near perfect fit as possible....... because all the clamping pressure is applied to the perimeter, not the center.
Use just enough clamping force to hold the handle in place while the epoxy cures. Over clamping can cause the scales to lift at the ends or sides, and can make a full handle on a stick tang shift to one side.
 
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The biggest trick I can impart on folks is to make a shallow hollow in the tang when they shape it. Use the corner of the contact wheel to gouge the center of the tang a bit. It doesn't need to be pretty, and it doesn't need to be deep. It only needs to be .01 or so deep to make a big difference in the fit. leave a 1/8-1/4" margin around the recess. The tang then can be quickly flattened without fear of rounding the edges....because all you are sanding is the edges. I do the same thing with the underside of the scales prior to flattening them, too.

Herman Schneider just apprised me of this trick; it was a Duhh moment because I do this for tapered tangs anyways.
 
Very good advice above about isolating your fit to the edges of your pieces. I do this with integral bolster/scale joints. I'll add that you can do a pretty good job of flattening with the platen attachment on a three wheel grinder, just hold the tang vertically on it to grind. A sharp roughing belt really helps with this. If you blacken the whole tang surface with a chisel tip marker it's easy to see where the low spots are when flattening. Use a push stick to grind with. Check for flatness with a piece of micarta or G10 as you go, hold it up with strong light behind it so you can see it shining through where there are low spots.
 
What do you think about laying it flat on say a precision granite surface with sandpaper and doing it by hand? Should that give satisfactory results?
 
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