Full Tang?

Geoff

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Is it OK to assume if a Kuk has pins holding the handle on that it also has a "full" tang like the M43?

Or does full tang simple mean some metal extends all the way to the end of the handle?

I'm looking for a YBB that has the M43 type of tang but I'm unsure of the terminology for these

Thanks for helping the newb
Geoff
 
I think that if you asked for a chirawa tang khukuri, Yangdu will be able to guide you to what you need.
 
I believe all the models with pins through the handles are indeed full tang. It might be referred to as a 'chiruwa' styled handle, though I'm not 100% sure on that.
 
Yes the 'full tang' you seek is referred to as a chiruwa tang, which IIRC is also called a panawal tang.

From my observations there are only four standard models of H.I. khukuri which are always full tang:

- the M43
- the Chiruwa Ang Khola (CAK)
- the Bonecutter
- the Bura Dui Chirra (BDC)

However if you watch, from time to time other models appear in chiruwa form. I've seen a few chiruwa Sirupatis before and if you ask, they guys over in BirGorkha Nepal can probably make you a chiruwa version of any khukuri you like. They made me a fantastic 23" chiruwa Chitlangi.
 
The one I'm getting is in this thread:Boomerang

This one to be precise:
15 inch 24 ounce Boomerang by Sher the (tiger). Horn handle. Excellent buy at $70.
 
Yeah that would be a chiruwa handle. If you see pins in the handle like that, it's full tang.
 
AWESOME!!! I cant find this model on the website. Is it a variation of a regular model?

It's not a 'regular' model... but it's not exactly rare either. They appear from time to time. It's one of the newer 'special runs'.

What's really special about that one is it is made by kami Sher. His work is incredible. I think you'll be impressed with it.
 
Yeah that would be a chiruwa handle. If you see pins in the handle like that, it's full tang.

And if I'm not mistaken, the pic of the boomerang in the group shot in that thread has the back of the exposed tang visible. I had to squint though. :D

The other type of tang can be referred to as a stick tang, or through tang... there may be other names, depending on who you talk to.

Pesonally I find them more comfortable than the chiruwa, but my fave, a Khadka Bonecutter, is chiruwa-only, so I was willing to compromise to get my hands on one. :thumbup:
 
And if I'm not mistaken, the pic of the boomerang in the group shot in that thread has the back of the exposed tang visible. I had to squint though. :D

The other type of tang can be referred to as a stick tang, or through tang... there may be other names, depending on who you talk to.

Pesonally I find them more comfortable than the chiruwa, but my fave, a Khadka Bonecutter, is chiruwa-only, so I was willing to compromise to get my hands on one. :thumbup:

I like the chiruwa tang because it has more steel in the handle and this helps balance out a longer blade.

There's a lot of hype out there about 'full tangs' vs internal tangs. Personally I've never broken a knife with an internal tang. I have a Camillus "KaBar" clone that's over 20 years old. It's one of my favorite knives. I've used it a lot and I've used it hard. It's a "stick tang". After two decades + of hard use the only thing wrong with it is a loose guard. The blade, handle, and of course the tang are just as solid as they were when I bought it.
 
Just to clarify, the metal in 99% of HI khuks goes from the tip of the blade to the tip of the handle. The little silver spot you see in the back of the handle is the tang, peened over the brass butt cap to help hold everything together.

The "chiruwa" style blades have an exposed tang and slab handles. This is the same construction you see with may popular "combat" knives - such as Busse, newer Chris Reeve, Strider, etc. Every knife from HI that has the two (or three) handle rivets has this style of tang, to my knowledge. This is definitely a solid handle style, and somewhat easier to modify if you want to put a new handle on. There may be small gaps between the metal and handle material, due to shrinkage of the horn or wood scales.

The second common style is the "hidden", "rat-tail", or "through" tang. In this style, the handle is one piece. A hole is bored all of the way through the handle. A piece of metal extends from the back of the blade, all of the way through the handle, and comes out the end of the brass butt cap. This tang is not as wide as the chiruwa style, but is thicker and would be quite difficult to break. I believe Randall knives are built this way in many styles. The through-tang construction gives a seamless handle, and many people say this style transmits less shock to the hand during heavy chopping. This style is also more common on antique khuks.

The stick tang has gotten a bad reputation from bad construction techniques that are not used in HI blades. In these cases, the tang does not go all of the way through the handle. In inferior khuks, the tang may go only a few inches into the handle, and is glued in place. Often, there will be a nail in the center of the butt cap to mimic the proper tang exit point, and to hold on the butt cap. This is easier to do, and may be worth it if the kami lives in your village and you can go yell at him when your knife falls apart. Not so good for the export market, though. The second form of inferior construction involves some sort of screw extension. The tang is threaded, and goes part way into the handle. Sometimes that's it, and sometimes there is a bolt coming from the butt which screws into the tang. This type of construction was popular in military contract knives and similar stuff in the '80s. Often, the parts that screwed together were pretty thin, and either unscrewed or broke under hard use. Again, HI does NOT use either method.

The third style of HI handle is pretty rare. This is a partial tang with a single pin. Like the through-tang, the handle is one piece. However, the tang only extends a few inches into the handle. As discussed above, this is potentially weak, so a rivet is placed through the handle and tang to give extra strength. This style is used on handles with extreme bends or curves where boring a straight hole would be very difficult. This style looks similar to the chiruwa handle, but only has one rivet near the blade-end of the handle. Uncle Bill suggested that end users could add a similar rivet to partial tang models that HI occasionally acquires from non-Bir Gorkha kamis.
 
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