Fun time killer

I don't think I have seen 1 video with so many MANY ways that things could have turned very wrong very quickly before.

Zinc in a forge? No!
Sealed "airtight" tube heated white hot in a forge? No!
Hammering a sealed "airtight" white hot tube out of shape? No!

Just amazing this guy still has 2 hands and 1 head with 2 eyes, 10 fingers and 1 brain (well that might not be there). I will let the serious metallurgists and blacksmiths we have on the board tell me if I am wrong, but I really don't see this as other than luck this guy didn't experience 1 or multiple possible abrupt and possibly fatal interruptions.
 
Anybody else see the link on the same page to the guy that stuck fish hooks in his arm to demonstrate how to remove them.

I had to watch it to see if it was really true, several minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I've heard of some of those bad things Shavru mentioned and some were noted on the video. I thought the knife turned out pretty nice but a little strange getting there.
 
Went back and read the text under the video where it appears he has a disclaimer about a number of the items I was concerned about. Well, I guess if you tell people "don't try this at home" before you show them how to cripple themselves then they definitely have no one to blame if they do. I am a firm believer in personal responsibility, so as long as you know and still choose to try it, no worries from me. Just don't expect me to pay your medical insurance :D
 
I thought it was a cool video.
Until Shavru pointed it out, I was totally unaware of all the safety hazard on display.

It just looked nice, easy and certainly not that dangerous.
(I mean, besides the inherent danger from the tools and forge)

Thanks Shavru for the reality check.
 
LOL, Oh, forgot to point out. IF anyone decided to give this a try and survived. I would LOVE pictures of the resulting knife.

Hey, I DID say I support personal responsibility and that includes the right to do "Hey watch this" stupid stuff if you want. And the knife at the end wasn't quite as cool as I had hoped but could look pretty awesome if you used the right combination of hooks and powdered metal to give it more variation. ;)
 
So glad I don't have a forge, cuz I'd probably have went and done this before coming back to the thread and reading all the reasons I shouldn't. There's a reason I like to work with cold metal; seems a little bit less less likely to explode
 
Bookie said:
At last! I've found someone dumber'n me!
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won't touch that with a barge pole!

in my younger years on the icebreaker as a young LTJG (1st Lt. equiv.) while playing cribbage in the ward room with some of my fellow ossifers, i told one of them as he lost 'i know a marine smarter than you'. one of our helo pilots in earshot, a LCDR (major equiv.), took umbrage to that and told me angrily that he was a marine before he transferred to the USCG. in a rare moment of sanity, i did NOT then tell him 'you are proving my point', but managed to somehow mollify him. luckily he was not in my chain of command. he was also a lot bigger than me.
 
Whew Kron, Sounds like that was a close one, while I have a lot of respect for Marines as individuals if one service can't make fun of the others then that is just wrong! I mean I don't know how many times an Ex-Marine friend and I have greeted each other with variations of "Hey you Shaved Ape!" or, "your intelligence is starting to show...time for a lobotomy so you fit in again" Now if someone can't take that sort of stuff between the services the world is starting to get a really thin skin. :( One of my favorite Marine/Army jokes...but then I was Army...

An Army guy stops at a bar outside Camp Lejeune. Next to him is a Marine Drill Sgt. He gives the guy a nudge, "Hey, wanna hear a joke about Marines?"

The Drill Instructor looks at him and says "See that woman at the end of the bar? She bench presses 200 lbs and is a Marine. See that
guy on your left, in the grey shirt down there? He's 220lbs and a Marine."

"Well soldier? Still want to tell us the joke?

"Nah! I don't want to have to explain the punchline three times!"
 
Fish hooks aint cheap! I wonder what that cost him in the end? Cool looking pattern weld tho and nice handle.
 
Lol Shavru. While I will take pride till my dying day that I earned the title Marine, I have to admit one of the funniest jokes I heard was a retort a soldier friend of mine came back with once.

I told him Army was an acronym that stood for "Ain't Ready to be Marines Yet."

He came back with "So is Marine. Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential!"

I was still laughing at that one several beers later!
 
Soldiers smell like sweat and blood.
Sailors smell like saltwater.
Pilots smell like aftershave.

I studied engineering and was in the army but at heart I guess I'm a Marine. Who can explain to me why a bit zinc in a forge is bad (zinc flue ?) and what's wrong about that airtight sealed container? The temperature from welding it shut warms up any air which might be left inside which makes it expand. Thus whatever thin in air is left inside will not be able to reach a pressure worth mentioning when forged later.

Whiteout contains actually titanium dioxide (for color) and not anything with zinc. Maybe it did a few decades ago?
 
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Zinc is flammable with an auto-ignition temperature of 480°C (896°F) well lower than the majority of forges. I didn't know they changed the formula for Whiteout and the guy even mentions he is using it because it has zinc in it so I just figured he read the ingredients. I haven't used whiteout since I bought my first word processor. As far as the airtight seal. Your point makes sense to me. I have some small experience with forges, no where near as much as a number of the guys here, but I have always been told never forge a sealed hollow object. Not really sure why, but as I did say, I would let others who know better tell my I was wrong... so on that at least it sounds like I am probably wrong. :D at least it sounds like it from what you point out.
 
Shavru said:
Zinc is flammable with an auto-ignition temperature of 480°C (896°F) well lower than the majority of forges. I didn't know they changed the formula for Whiteout and the guy even mentions he is using it because it has zinc in it so I just figured he read the ingredients. I haven't used whiteout since I bought my first word processor. As far as the airtight seal. Your point makes sense to me. I have some small experience with forges, no where near as much as a number of the guys here, but I have always been told never forge a sealed hollow object. Not really sure why, but as I did say, I would let others who know better tell my I was wrong... so on that at least it sounds like I am probably wrong. :D at least it sounds like it from what you point out.
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Oh. And once the zinc burns even if it's not much to do harm on its own it could ignite the iron powder? True that would be bad, Shavru.
From that angle it's actually good that the air inflow is blocked. Might be the primary reason because even fine iron powder can ignite very fast compared to a solid piece. Just bigger surface and more oxygen touching with powder.

A white zinc compound is probably zinc oxide already and shouldn't ignite. That he called it zinc while it's most likely titanium dioxide or (less likely) zinc oxide shows that he probably just heard about the "zinc" somewhere.
Even if my theory that welding evacuates most of the air (which was left after the hooks and powder) sounds plausible please don't try it at home. I might risk it though if I'd be into forging.

Forging anything very hollow and airtight where one doesn't know how much gas or even moisture :-o is inside is indeed very unsmart even though arms distance and safety glasses should avoid most serious consequences. Nothing I would try.
Did you know that steam takes 1000 times more space than the water it came from? That got to go somewhere.

Whiteout also contains solvents and resin. Hmm. I'm tempted to take a flame to it and see what happens. Might be a good fire starter albeit not the cheapest one and probably quite unhealthy. :-)
 
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now moisture and Zinc might actually make it even worse. Doesn't Zinc interact with the Hydrogen in water to produce some sort of deadly gas or something? Hmm, damn my mind for being full of all sorts of junk piled on top of my ancient college chemistry knowledge. I can't remember right now will have to do some research. But I am pretty sure Zinc and water and heat = something really bad. At least I can't shake the big red stop sign my mind throws up but I also can't remember why.
 
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