functional suits

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i hate wearing suits.

primarily, because suits are useless. thin material, weak sewing, crummy pockets (or fake pockets--- i HATE fake pockets so much!~!!!), no stain resistance, no weather resistance, the bitching could go on...


so i'm in the market for a functional suit. a "tactical" suit, if you will. no, it doesn't have to have molle lashing points, black cordura with gratuitous velcro, speed holes, kevlar, or anything like that. it DOES have to be:

black
durable
have decent pockets


any suggestions? i don't think i've ever seen a suit thread on bladeforums.
 
there was an article in esquire a year or so ago regarding water/weather proof suits. they swam in them, and saw if the siuts were ruined. I may be able to find it.
 
Suits tend to be more for show than for go. A well tailored suit will make you look like a million bucks: good for running for office, or a job interview, or pitching an idea at a board meeting.

That said, I really don't like suits, either. :(

However, there is a company called Travelsmith that may have some solution to your problem about pockets:

http://www.travelsmith.com/ts/home....lsmith&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

I've never actually bought anything from them, but their product line seems to show some promise.

If that's not an option, then your other alternative is to go to a tailor and have them make a suit to your specs. Once upon a time, before Hong Kong reverted back to control of mainland China, I've heard of guys who actually made special trips to HK just to have suits made. The amount of money they saved on a bunch of hand tailored suits paid for the round trip airfare. But, that was then, and that may not be viable option.
 
I not only hate suits, but I'm pretty hard to fit. 6'4, 325, muscles and a gut. I've found that clothes with room for gut assume I'll be pear shaped, and lack room for shoulders and arms, big enough to fit up top and it's a tent around the middle. I'm also both cheap, and rarely called upon to wear a suit, so I don't see dropping an arm and a leg for something tailored. I was in a big & tall shop with my wife looking for a suit a couple years back, and discovered that George Foreman has a line of suits out. Appearently George and I had the same problem, cause each of the 54L jackets fit perfectly. Shoulders are cleverly gusseted, you can actually get off a decent jab without ripping the arm off, and yes, it has real pockets. The pants are some the most comfortable I've ever had on. They look good, not baggy, not tight, and have those little slip tabs that give you a little extra room when sitting, or working on that tenth pound of crab legs at the all you can eat seafood joint (true story). The pants actually let me pull off a full side split (which is a sight, trust me). Big thumbs up on George's line, particularlly if you're a bigun'. I can't recall what we paid, but I do remember thinking it was a good deal, so it can't have been all that much.
 
Thanks a HUGE amount for the info on George Foreman line of suits Yahmanin! I have similar issues with suits too.
 
I remember someone posting on another forum about how they too would go to an area right across from Hong Kong on the mainland to get 3 or 4 suits made in a day or two tailored to their liking.
 
You also can get suits made to order online. You get your measurements made and submit them along with your suit choice and you get a suit in the mail.

I can't remember any names but I'm sure a guick search will give you lots of results.

Chad
 
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And it even comes with the hat and tie! (Shades are extra.)
 
Ummm, MAJOR CORRECTION Craigz.... the shades are NOT extra! I believe the correct word you were searching for was "essential".;) :D
 
Can't recommend any suit, but DuluthTradingCompany has a sport coat (they call it their 'presentation coat' that's as close to what you want as I believe you can find. (they have a catalogue and are on line)
 
You can still get suits made in HK or in China. HK is under Mainland China but there is no reason why the Mainland does not allow tailors!
 
Well you'd probably get exactly what you wanted if you went to a tailor, but it would definately cost you. On the plus side, a custom made suit should be made to compensate for whatever you carry (with reason and as long as you bring it to the tailors), so it looks like your not carrying anything at all (no bulges, etc...). Of course its important to remember that you often get what you pay for. Your best value for getting a suit made however would probably be to do it overseas (like other people mentioned in china/hong kong). I wouldn't say suits are useless, as I think a well tailored suit can make any guy look good when they need to be. Like anything else though, they have their place and time.
 
I'm no suit expert, but I've spent years wearing them everyday. To give some perspective on my "personal experience" with this topic here's a close representation to what I currently own (it looks like a list a knife collector might make). I have 9 suits, 10 sport coat/blazers (basically suit jackets where one mixes-and-matches with dress slacks), 13 pair slacks, 50-some dress shirts, 6 silk sweaters, about 150-200 ties, 18 pair of dress shoes, 2 overcoats (1 rain, 1 top coat), and so many pairs of socks, I can't fit them in my sock drawer. My wife hates that I have shoes than her (by a significant margin...that 18 number is just my dress shoes!). All is dress clothes...no casual wear.

In my suit/sport jackets, not one has a false pocket. Each one came with several pockets that have loose stitching, temporarily closing the pocket, which can be removed to open the pocket for use.

As will most things, from my experience, you get what you pay for (mostly, I wouldn't go out and pay $1,000-2,000 per suit...unless I was in a different tax bracket). Most all my suits are wool, with a few others being made of silk, mohair, and a couple other fabrics...most are wool or silk. I will not wear any suits made of polyester/rayon, as well as poly/wool blends. Besides the way they look, I don't like the way they feel and wear.

From my experience, no suit is made as sturdy as a rugged pair of Levis. And I have ruined one pair of slacks by tripping and falling knee/hand first (bloodied up my palm and scraped up my knee through the fabric). The wool fabric at the knee did not tear, but did "scuff" enough to make it "shine." That is a testament to the durability (rather than the fragility) of quality fabrics. I have yet to have any stitching come out (even when I've gained a little too much weight for the waistband)....OK, there was this once where several stitches pulled just a little (not more than 1mm) where the tailor had altered the length and turned up the cuff. Easy to fix.

I have gotten some stains on my suits/slacks, but not one that has yet to come out through dry cleaning.

Suits are not necessarily "happy" to be rained on, thus the rain coat. And though there are "winter" suits (thicker fabric and can be lined.....I love fully lined slacks!), a dress top coat (similar to a rain coat, but wool to keep you warm) is a necessary addition in cold climates.

I've bought most of my suits a several of the main national retailers. You don't have to pay a lot for a suit, but they don't come inexpensively, either. Many people who don't wear suits regularly, will have one or two in their closet for those special occasions. In a case like this, the "accessories" do assist in adding up the cost (such as shoes, ties, shirts, cuff links, belts, etc.) and often, one will have several shirts and ties per suit (to do the mix-and-match thing.....so they don't always look the same). So if someone is just starting out, they need to not only look just at the price of a suit; these other items need to be added into your budget. Additionally, not many "off the shelf" suits will just fit; they need to be altered. Expect anything from $20-50+ for simple alterations. Looking for sales are also beneficial to not paying an arm and a leg. With few exceptions, I rarely pay full price for shirts or ties.

Though Nordstrom, Macys, etc. offer some really nice suits, the sticker shock will be severe for most (expect prices like $700-1,000 for just the suit). There are several "wearhouse" stores worth considering. In the Seattle area, there is Men's Wearhouse (which has 500 stores around the US) that sell suits for less than department stores and still offers a relatively good looking suit (I've heard suits there go for around $400-600).

I hope this has helped and most importantly that you got the feeling from me that suits are really meant to be functional; not just some fragile apparel that "isn't mean to be worn."

Being at work, I don't have access to my photos, but I did find one of me in a dress-casual look. This was a photo used for a corporate ID card...you know, one of those quick and dirty "stand by that wall and smile" photos (I don't even know if I smiled all that well). Jacket by Ralph Lauren with silk sweater.
 

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thanks for all the advice guys.

i'll take a look at duluth trading co. from what i can see, their "presentation coats" don't come in black. :(


i'll be really honest with you all. the suit i've got right now, i got at the salvation army. it's not bad though.



here's what i'm thinking i'll do. is it against the rules to mix and match?

i'll get a pair of pants kind of like these dickies in black:

http://www.dickies.com/wc2/product.asp?cat=101&type=A&styd=8038BK&pdscr=8038+CELL+PHONE+WORK+PANTS+

they look fairly nice, and are functional.

then i'll get another black blazer at the salvation army.


is mixing/matching these two items faux pas? think anyone will call me out on it at a formal dinner or a wedding or something?


my shirt, tie, and shoes are really nice. i get my shirts at express (54.00/shirt!!), tie is armani exchange, shoes are shiny black ones that go with my army class A's.



i have some issues i think. i'm ok with spending money on the shirts/shoes, but for some reason, i can't bring myself to care enough to spend money on a good suit, probably because i hate them. and on the other hand, i'm ok with blowing an exorbitant amount on these:

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maybe i need to grow up. :-/
 
Generally there's nothing wrong with mixing and matching as long as the quality and cut of the jacket matches that of the pants. Khakis usually can go with a navy jacket.

It really depends on the level of "formality" where you wear your suit. If a suit is required, a sport coat, although dressy, is normally not considered a substitute. Best to ask those who you will be working with.
 
For great suits at a good price try Lands End. You buy the coat and pants individually so that you get a perfect fit. Most are 100% wool, and wear very well.
 
MSgt said:
Can't recommend any suit, but DuluthTradingCompany has a sport coat (they call it their 'presentation coat' that's as close to what you want as I believe you can find. (they have a catalogue and are on line)

I'll third that. I have one of their presentation jackets in brown corduroy and its awesome. Looks real classy, but has 13 pockets that you can't see and is sewn to provide maximum movement. I love it.
 
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