Future Compression Lock Models?

Marion David Poff

Marion David Poff

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Sal,

Are any existing models slated to get a transformation into the Compression Lock? Like the Military?

What new Compression Lock models are there? besides the ATR?

Not that I am knocking the ATR, I am looking forward to it. But, in general, I like your nested liner models best of all.
 
From what i have heard the paramilitary will have this lock.:barf:
 
The integral compression or liner locks have a slight advantage when it comes to cleaning. But you're right, I like the nested liner compression models best too.

I'd definitely love to see an upgrade of the Military to the compression lock. For the heavy use the Military is designed for, even a strong liner lock just isn't trustworthy IMO.

The knives I've heard as currently in the works are:

ATR: Prototype has an integral compression lock, production models may be like the Salsa, in both nested and integral versions.

Trakk'r: Prototypes for this one had G-10 scales. I think the lock was a lockback, but a nested compression lock could certainly be done with this model. Design is similar to the ATR, but it also has a gut hook on the back of the blade for zipping through materials without digging in beyond the surface.

Pride: This one's almost ready to go. Slipjoint lock, Navigator styling, and enameled flags or emblems. Perfect for those who live where locking blades are illegal.

Spyder-Fly or Spyder-Song: Spyderco's butterfly knife. Haven't seen any pics of this, nor have many details or descriptions been given. Prototypes exist, but this design is being kept a closely-guarded secret until it's almost ready to go.
 
It seems like a lot of spydie fans dont like the compression lock, or favor the nestled liner lock over the nestled compression lock. Why is this? I would love to see the paramilitary with a nestled compression lock, but having never owned any liner or compression lock spydies I do not know the advantages/disadvantages of either lock.
Would anyone like to expand on this suject?
Thanks!:)
 
The only one I have is the forum model Vesuveus.It may just be this knife but the compression lock is hard to release with the right hand and the blade does not lock into the handle very tightly.It has some ease of movement in the closed position therefore makeing opening in the pocket a little more of a concern.I do like it though just not nearly as well as a lock back or liner lock.
 
put the Vesuvius in your LEFT hand and its easy to open..i.e. release the lock.ROFL..ahhhh the forever discussion of whats really a right or left compression lock..that's an inside joke...
to me its a left handed compression lock..Oh well..ROFL again!
The mini Gunting :TUSOK will have a nested compression lock..The Temperance JR has a nested compression lock..I believe the Salsa has a nested compression lock..and a model with a compression framelock..
hmm I have a plastic conceptual model of a Gunting with a Compression framelock..but its not slated for even becoming a proto..it was an exercise in design..
so thats in addition to the Vesuvius and the Gunting..
the Gunting has full hard dual liners and it's compression lock is mirror image of all other compression locks made...
 
If you want a freaking really tough lock its the compression lock..
no if ands or buts about it..
 
i am in love with the compression lock, as soon as i realized that it had nothing in common with a "backwards liner lock" as some described it.

There are actually many "compression" locks out there, most knife locks are. The idea is that the space between the blade tang and some stop point is filled with....something. All liner locks are in essense compression locks. The liner is compressed between the point it's long cut stops and the blade tang. A more obvious example is the Microtech Microbar, in this lock the microbar fills the void between the blade tang and the microbar pivot, tranfering the force the the Al scales.

In inovation of the COmpression lock is that it fills the void in a better manner. One the void is made smaller so buckeling is less likely, and the void-filling liner moves/operates perpendicular to the force that is being applied to it.

A Truly excellent inovation.
 
Originally posted by K man
It seems like a lot of spydie fans dont like the compression lock, or favor the nestled liner lock over the nestled compression lock. Why is this? ... Would anyone like to expand on this suject?
Thanks!:)
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I started a thread titled "What's your favorite type of lock?" that discusses some of this. Just to summarize my opinions:

*Compression locks are very strong, hard to accidentally close, easy to use, and provide a solid lockup with little or no blade play, adjusting itself for wear over time.

*Liner locks are much more prone to breakage due to the longer length of metal involved in the lock. They are easily accidentally closed, positioned as most are right under a finger, and unless paired with an eccentric pivot suffer from blade play over time.

Most people who don't like compression locks don't like them because some knives with the lock do have some blade play. As I said in the other thread, a lock that does this should be sent back to Spyderco for warranty repair. They'll fix it so it's rock-solid. Blade play shouldn't be a problem with the compression lock's design, more its execution. It's still new, so some of the bugs in construction are being worked out. The Salsa, the newest compression lock model that I have, is absolutely rock solid, so I think it's safe to say the design is close to perfection.

Other people who don't liek the lock don't like that the lock is hard to close. The integral version of the lock, where the compression tab is part of one scale, is quite stiff to avoid accidentally opening the lock by gripping the knife, but the nested lock is less stiff then most liner locks and even many lockbacks I've used. A few of the lockbacks I have, notably those without a Boye dent, are much stiffer than the compression lock. Bram's Gunting may have to be pushed the other way, making it a "true" right-handed compression lock, but in reality, either way the lock is mounted, the lock is pretty much ambidextrous. I prefer the lock as it is on the Salsa and all others except the Gunting, where in your right hand, you push the tab with your thumb. To me, it's like pressing the tab and the left-hand scale between thumb and index finger. I don't see what's hard about it. The Gunting would/will be different, but there's nothing about the design that makes it more difficult for righties or southpaws to use.
 
The "nested" Compression Locks on my Gunting, Vesuvius, and Li'l Temperance all close very easily when I push them to the left with my right index finger. I love the lock.
 
Originally posted by Liko
Trakk'r: Prototypes for this one had G-10 scales. I think the lock was a lockback, but a nested compression lock could certainly be done with this model. Design is similar to the ATR, but it also has a gut hook on the back of the blade for zipping through materials without digging in beyond the surface.
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The Trakker will have FRN scales, dual steel liners and a compression lock. I don't know whether it will be a nested lock.

The other design you are referring to is the Impala, which is designed with the gut hook. But I believe the Impala is a liner lock.
 
I have played with several of the compression lock folders and I don't think that I will ever get used to it. Seems a very unnatural movement to my fingers. No questions that it is strong, and I suspect that I will buy the first Trakker that I see (huge Wegner fan) and try to get used to it.

I have used liner locks for years (Spyderco and Benchmade) and never had the first one fail or break except for one the I messed up trying to adjust it. I have used and abused the hell out of my big and little Wegners and a Mini AFCK and they just keep coming back for more.
 
Originally posted by BRAM

to me its a left handed compression lock..Oh well..ROFL again!
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I agree with Bram. The compression lock seems to be more favored for the left handed crowd. I can work the one on the Gunting much easier.
 
I prefer the lock as it is on non-Gunting models as well. However, it is pretty ambidextrous. I have the Gunting and a Salsa, and I prefer the lock's execution on the Salsa, with a ball pin detent in the tab and a left-side closure. To me, it seems a more natural movement to push my thumb to the left, in a sense pinching the tab and left scale between thumb and forefinger.

The one problem I have with the Gunting is the lock. Having it push to the right is fine. What I don't like is the style of detent used. The ball detent on my Salsa locks much more firmly and positively, even taking the difference in blade weights into account. The Gunting uses a detent that turns the tab of the compression lock into a liner lock that slips off. Theres a slight indentation for the tab to fit into. Holds it closed if there's no stress on the blade, but I've already had it come open on me in my waistband, and for a tip-down carry, this is worrying.
 
Maybe I'm missing something here...
I've heard alot of folks are having problems manipulating the Compression-lock, so here is some simple advice that works with my Vesuvius:

Operate it like you would any Spyderco lockback knife.
The only difference is that instead of pushing down on the lock-back release, I push to the side on the compression-lock release.
In the right hand I use the outside of my thumb, in the left hand I use the inside of my thumb.
The blade then swings down (just like the lockback Spydercos do, only smoother), and then I close it.
Simple.

I hope this helps someone.

Good luck,
Allen.
 
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