FW Curved Khukuri Review

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Summary

After some bush and light tree clearing, I am disappointed with the performance of the forward curved khukuri (FWCK). The sweat spot is too small and located too close to the tip. The forward angle may be too much. It is not my first choice khukuri for what I typically do. The blade decorations are a hindrance in the field. The blade decorations, interferes function of the chakma’s. On a positive note blade is very good. It pierced a 55-gallon drum with no damage and there was very minor rolling on the edge when I tried to chop into the drum. The only other damage is a loose butt cap.

While I’m not impressed with its field performance it was so unusual I bought the khukuri.

Preliminary Preparations

The FWCK passed the slap test made famous by Dave K. This is where the blade is slapped against a tree on its flats hard. No damage was noticed.

The knife was sharpened so that it could shave hair from my arms readily. There was a consistent burr on the edge of the khukuri. Sharpening took about 15 minutes with the course Spyderco stone. A straight section starts at the beginning of the forward curve and runs for 5.5”. The stone slides over the straight section easier than near the tip. The straight is harder than the tip. The stone grabs much more near the tip. Unfortunately, the belly (where the sweet spot is located) is included in the softer section.

Chopping Yard Waste

The FWCK was used to chop up some branches that I wanted to burn in a 55-gallon drum. The FWCK was stabbed into the drum to produce air holes. The tip and edge was undamaged by this. A Mission MPK (A2) was also used to poke holes into the drum and was also undamaged. I tried chopping on the sides of the drum to produce larger holes with the FWCK. I could not chop through the drum but put large dents into the drum. The knife was very slightly rolled in four spots from chopping. The most severe damage was half circle peens that are 0.25 mm in radius. These are barely visible and were steeled out with the chakma from an 18” AK. Steel and heat treat must be pretty decent in the FWCK.

I used a tree stump as a chopping board to assist in chop the branches into smaller sizes. I found I could not use the straight section. As the tip would impact against the stump before this section could contact whatever I was chopping. Unfortunately, the straight seems to be the hardest section of the FWCK. I then used the belly, which starts after the straight and ends about 1” from the tip, to chop with. This must be the sweet spot. The results were much better and I had no problems breaking through 4” diameter branches. Chopping completely through them would take many more chops. I found the sweet spot to be too small and located too close to the tip. The sweet spot in the 2” belly. I used my 18” Ang Khola for a short time to compare its performance to that of the FWCK. I could use the straight section and the much larger belly of the Ang Khola as effectively as the belly of the FWCK. After doing this for about 7 hours, the 6 years of branch accumulation was burnt up. The tip was quite dull.

Trail Clearing

The following day, I used the FWCK, 18” Ang Khola, 17.5” WWII, and 22” Sirupati to assist in opening 100 m of lane. Most of the trees that had to be chopped down or had limbs removed are 4-6” diameter cedar.

The cedar trees were brought down by first chopping a V into one side so that the tree could be pulled over. This required between 6-12 chops. After each chop the khukuri was twisted hard to remove as much wood as possible. I was surprised with the amount of variation in the number of hits required for similar sized trees. Once the tree was pulled over the connecting piece was chopped through using the stump as a chopping block. This usually required only 1-2 chops. The whole process takes under 5 minutes. The cedar was found to over 30 years.

When things worked well for the FWCK it gave similar performance as the 18” AK and 22” Sirupati. Cedar is very soft and it was more productive to chop with the large straight section rather than the small sweet spot. The tip would often strike or become entangle in nearby branches as I was using the straight. While the belly did penetrate deeper it would not remove as much wood as the straight. The WWII would sometime require only a couple more chops.

The FWCK did not remove limbs as well as the other khukuri’s. I struck the limb as close to the tree as possible for optimum results. In order to perform as well as the other khukuri’s, the sweet spot must be used. I could easily employ the larger sweet spots of the other khukuri’s. My aim was not good enough to consistently hit with the sweet spot with the FWCK. Also, the belly dulled faster than the straight of the other khukuri’s.

Larger and Slightly Harder Trees

I used the FW and 18” Ang Khola to bring down a 7” diameter dead spruce tree. The spruce is definitely harder than the cedar. The FW was not used for very long. It was mildly painful when the sweet spot was employed. There was too much shock transmitted to my hands. The 18” Ang Khola ended up doing most of the work. The 18" Ang Khola would still shave the odd hair after chopping down the tree.

Prying

The FWCK was used to pry loose two trees that got caught on the remaining stump and overhead branches. To move the trees the khukuri was used as a lever. The fulcrum was located about 5” from the tip and 0.25” of the tip was underneath the tree. Pulling on the handle with 60% of my 180-lb clothed weight freed the trees. The FWCK deflected very little, about 3 degree. This does not mean much since the trees were supported elsewhere but they were well over 200 lb.

Blade Decorations and Maintenance

The engravings on the blade filled with mashed wood. This is difficult to field clean. In order to remove all the wood trapped in the decorations I had to wash the blade with hot soap and water.

**** The decorations on the chakma must go! The sides of the chakma do not work with the hatching and circles. I know most people do not use these and the edge can still be used, but they should be completely functional.


Will
 

I haven't put mine to that level of use yet... but I did observe that when I used mine to split a bunch of kindling and chop a staff out of deadfall, it got 'magically' sharper the more I used it. This was especially noticable on the hardened part of the blade.

My love for the forward curving khukuri has nothing whatsoever to do with it's performance, I guess. I would reach for my Sirupati for most things, it being so much lighter, and for the same weight I would be better served with an AK or WWII, but there is something very appealing about the forward curve and the decoration.



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Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
I found the chopping sweet spot is further up the blade as well. As I reported in another thread, I think I'm more more used to "normal" khukuri. But I do still like the hatchmarked FC in the collection. Oh, the butt cap on mine also is loose from chopping.

sing

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Yes.the engraveings fill up with wood and sap.What did you expect?This is a combat knife that can chop.Get an AK.
I am not suffering fools gladly,at the moment.
 
Good thing that "fools" can suffer things gladly and blissfully.

sing

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Comprehensive analysis Will. Concerning the feedback you experienced, that was not a problem with the model I had. However all the chopping I did was on small diamter wood. The preferred impact point for high energy chops was similar to the 18" AK. There was greater varience in the feel if impacts varied around this spot, which is sensible as the angle of the blade changed dramatically as compared to an AK. This could make chopping on larger wood a bit uncomfortable. Probably the most impressive aspect is the point penetration on a straight swing, it is easily far better than the 18" AK.

-Cliff
 
I found with my FWCK that the sweetspot was smaller than on other khuks and, as noted by Sing and Will, a bit farther up the blade. However, once I got used to it I found the FWCK to be an acceptable chopper and its different "feel" provided a welcome change of pace from the more conventional choppers (AKs), during long periods of chopping.

But as much as I like my FWCK, I would like to get one without the engraving on the side of the blade. Because of the problems with the engraving (as noted in the above posts) mine will now be primarily for display. I would like to have one that I could really use as a working khuk -- without the engraving.
 
Cliff Stamp's comment:

" Probably the most impressive aspect is the point penetration on a straight swing, it is easily far better than the 18" AK. "

Hmmm... better point penetration, smaller sweet spot moved farther forward, still more than adequate chopping/cutting/slicing on smaller branches. Sounds to me like it's designed more for use with the point and first few inches back from it than the heavy wood chopers. Maybe they were designed for use on softer materiel than wood. Any Martial Artists care to comment on this?

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Like Rusty I'm looking forward to seeing what the Bando man has to say. The FWCK does point and thrust well. I got the impression the FWCK is much better at chopping softer materials too.

Would less weight make this a better weapon? Currently it is built to take the abuse of fools like myself.

Steven, the chopping performance was dissappointing compared to two knives that are excellent choppers. The FWCK does chop better than my 15" Ang Khola. Mine has shown to be capable of heavy work.

Cliff, I found the point penetration of the FWCK to be better than the other knives too. Perhaps this zone could be a bit more without sacrificing tip strength. The FWCK is comfortable to use except on larger trees.

Will
 
Ghostsix,

Take a deep breath, drink a beer (or 2 or 3....) and RELAX!!

Nice review Will.
I have been doing a lot of chopping and working with my 20" GS and my monster Salyan (as well as my village models and my 15" AK) and have a few things to report when I get the time.

Mike
 
I guess FWCK is a more traditional blade shape - and during that time that forward curved blade was an advantageous for a man to man duel!

According to Will the sweet spot is further up near to the tip - yes! - although I'm not a MA practitioner but I think that will help much to execute a beheading process! - plus with a curvy sharp edge that is another positive point of efficiency for that sort of execution! I guess a human neck is not as hard as a tree trunk! I used to hear from elders in Malaysia stories about Gorkha beheading their enemy with only a single strike with their Khukuri!

Please! For Allah's sake - do not perform any beheading test with that FWCK!
 
Well, I haven't handled a FWCK, nor do I practice Bando. However, in the Kali system that I train in, our cuts are executed with the TIP of the blade. Even when we strike with a stick, we "cut" with the tip. Also, thrusts are a major part of the system.

That being said, the sweet spot farther forward/better tip penetration/less weight would seem to make the FWCK a formidable weapon (at least for my use). It might not hurt to harden the tip are a little more too (if it's meant as a weapon, you just don't dig with it right?!)

Respectfully,

Dave Fulton
 
Considering that is a very old design when there was a lot more hand to hand going on perhaps what we are seeing here is a khukuri designed and used as a weapon. Not the thing you'd need for keeping your hillside farm working but what you needed when somebody showed up to try to take your farm away from you.

I think it is a case of the right tool for the right job.

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