Gained another son, maybe.

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The Izaak Walton League I belong to has a rule, that all new members have in thier first probationary year a work obligation to help out around the place. This past Monday being a holiday there was some chores to do around the place and I had as a helper a nice young man named Josh. He seemed a typical 20 something kind of fellow. I put him to work with me restocking the clay birds launchers on the trap and skeet ranges. The boxes of birds were already stored in the range houses so all we had to do was reload the machines. Afterward there were boxes to be broken down for our recycle dumpster.

I knew I was going to be doing some work that day so I had my old somewhat beat up Case CV sodbuster with me. I told Josh we'd break down the boxes and I'd count the day off as his work obligation. We had a pile to do and we set to it. I told him all we had to do was run a knife down the edges of the boxes to flatten them out to layer up in the dumpster. I started out and ran my knife down and showed him how and we got to it. I had touched up the soddie just before I left the house knowing it was to be used. I know that you all know that nice whisper sound and feeling of a thin sharp blade slicing effortlessly through something. I had got a few boxes done and I became aware of Josh having a bit of a hard time. I guess I had made the presumstion Josh had a sharp knife. I had seen him take out a well known brand of black one hand folder, but he seemed to have some trouble getting it to slice the cardboard. It was pulling and tearing its way through, making him work at it.

I really did not want to say anything, but I saw him glance over at me a couple of times. I stopped and asked him if he wanted to borrow my pocket hone I keep in my wallet. He hesitated and then handed me his knife and asked if I thought it needed it. His knife did not feel like it was really dull, but it just had one of those thick blades with the full thickness going down for half the width of the blade making an abrupt angle for the cutting edge. I loaned him my knife and told him if he cuts, I'll take and stack up the cut ones in the recycle dumpster. Josh took my sodbuster and made a cut just as I was gathering up a pile of knocked down boxes. he made a noise of surprise and I gathered he'd never used a sharp knife before. I went and dumped the cardboard, and by the time I got back Josh had another armfull for me. We got a good relay going, him cutting and me carrying. We got the job done in very short time. When I came back from dumping the last load he was looking at my knife closely. He had alot of questions for me as to why it cut so good for an old fashioned knife, and was'nt I afraid to use a knife with no lock on the blade.

We sat down at the picnic table and I explained about traditional pocket knives and thin blades. He listened very attentively, and I realized that he knew nothing about knives at all. I asked him if his dad had ever shown him how to use a pocket knife and he told me his parrents had divorced when he was young, and his dad was not around much. I further relized that there had been no traditional upbringing for this young man. I had some change in my pocket so we had a couple of cold cokes on a mild almost balmy day and we talked about knives, and guns. He was about as much a babe in the woods on guns as knives. Most, if not all he knew, came out of the magazines.

Nobody in his family was into knives or guns, but sometime in middle school this typical suburban mall kid had become interested in them. I felt kind of sorry for him and I tried to imagine if I had not had my dad and grandad growing up to help me out. He was like a dried sponge, wanting to soak up anything he could. That was why he was at the club, wanting to learn to shoot. We got our rifles out of the vehicles and did some shooting. Josh had bought a black rifle that the guys at the gunshop had told him was the greatest thing since gunpowder, and it had to be sighted in. By that time he had used up almost half of the ammo he had for it. On paper I showed him sight picture, and tought him breath control, and trigger squeeze. He was'nt really a bad shot, he had not had the time to build bad habits. The couple boxes of .223 ammo went quick and he was done for the day. I took Miss Marlin out of her case to do some shooting of my own.

Miss Marlin and I had been together for a bit over forty years now. Theres been other guns that came and went, but she's been a steady. Now that I've downsized, that Marlin is a regular shooter. I like to put unbroken clay birds out on the 50 and 75 yard berms to shoot at, and then try to clean off the pieces. I let Josh take shots with the .22 and again he expressed great surprise at how accurite and fun it was. He asked how much ammo was, and I told him that 550 round box sitting there was 9 bucks at the 'mart. He glanced a little sadly at the couple emty boxes of .223's that had cost him many times that for a fraction of the cost. The idiots at the gun shop had steered him to an expensive tactical rifle knowing the kid had never even shot a .22 rifle in his life. I felt a brief surge of anger at both the gun shop guys and his absent father. Even though he somehow developed an interest, there had been no BB or pellet guns in his childhood or .22's in his adolesence. We set out some more clay birds and plinked away the afternoon with the .22 Marlin. Josh had a ball and I coached him all I could. His shooting improved steadily.

The afternoon waned and the bulk box of Federals was empty. I wiped off the Marlin with a rag from the shooting bag and slid it back in the case while Josh would ask questions. He seemed almost desparate for more information and I fiddled with my pipe and I said to myself "Oh hell" because I knew what I had to do. I asked Josh if he was hungry and he ended up comming home with me for one of Karens home cooked dinners. I called her on the way home and gave her a heads up on the whole situation and she told me to bring him home by all means. My daughter and grandkids were there with my younger boy Matt, and it was a crowded table, but the meatloaf and mashed potatos and geen beans made the stretch. Matt had stopped by after his shift, and was still in his police uniform, and we talked about guns, knives, and Josh learned. It was like he could'nt get enough. My cigar box of old pocket knives were brought out so he could learn a stockman from a barlow. I think someplace durring the evening my family adoptd him, because when he finally left after 8PM, Karen says to me, " So, we're raising another one?"
 
Great story, Jackknife. It's good to see people helping out those who want to learn and who haven't had the benefit of positive male role models in their life. I was lucky in that I had my dad, grandfather and father-in-law who are all avid hunters, anglers and just general all-around fans of the traditional things in life to help mold me and shape me into the person I am today.
 
jacknife,

Sounds like Josh is really benefiting from your experience and your family's kindness.. Its good to know that although he missed out on his earthly fathers insight and teachings, through apparently no fault of his own, that his heavenly father has brought the both of you two together for another chance so that he may receive those Blessings from you.
 
Another great story, jackknife.
Makes me truly appreciate how lucky I've been to have had a grand-father who taught me about knives and hunting.
Also makes me sad to hear that Josh couldn't enjoy the up-bringing quite a few of us here at the forum have had the privilege to have. On the other hand, he's now had the luck to have met and made friends with an excellent Mentor...
Seems to me he couldn't be in better hands.

/ Karl
 
It just makes me mad and sad at the same time that America has changed so much in my lifetime. I see these kids grow up without any of the experiances that many of us took for granted. I mean, was it not at one time a rite of passage for a kid to be given his first pocket knife as a sign that he was old enough to accept the responsibility? and soon after that there would be a long box under the Christmas tree holding his first projectile thrower, a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun or a Sheridan Blue streak if he really lucked out. And Christmas morning he and his dad would be out in the backyard with dad coaching him how to shoot well enough to hit that soup can against the back fence.

I mean, heres this kid Josh, growing up with an absent father, reading the commercial trash in the gun and knife magazines, and with no father or uncle to set him strait he grows up with alot of misconseptions and bad information. The one evening at our place I think he gained more than everything he knew before that night. It made me think of all those troubled adolesent kids our chruch takes out camping and hiking. They're not bad kids, just kids who had no direction growing up. It made me think of Father Flanigan, and him saying theres no such thing as a bad kid. Josh can't wait to get involved in our winter air gun league on Wedesday nights, after shooting my grandsons airgun in the backyard after dinner. I don't honestly know who was having a better time, my 9 year old grandson or 22 year old Josh. He'd never shot an airgun before! Unbelievable! For a long time after dinner with Ryan, Josh, my wife and son Matt supervising, I kept hearing the same noise from the back yard while Jess and I got the dishes put away. There would be the Ka-thump, ka-thump- ka-thump of the Benjamin being pumped up, a pause, then a loud poof....plink, and woops of laughter. At the age of 22 he was shooting his first airgun!

When we went through the cigar box of old knives I have, he was fasinated by the history of each type, and all the different handle materials. We whitled a bit in the backyard and he could'nt believe how thin a curl of wood the Kissing Krane brown mule could peel up. He learned to be carefull of how to use a knife and why you don't need a lock if you're carefull. When he left I loaned him my medium brown mule to try for one month to see how he likes it. As he works in an auto parts store he opens alot of boxes so it will get a good workout.

This is going to be interesting.
 
Great story. Aah, adulthood; the time you realize that life isn't a competition.
 
It is a good story, and I hope you end up being a long-term positive influence on the young man.

It's hard these days to introduce young people to the kinds of things we grew up with and took for granted.

There are so many distractions. I grew up without television on a remote farm, so hunting, fishing, working outdoors, along with reading voraciously, were my passtimes.

Today there is the internet, computer and video games, the mall, movies, clothes, hair gel, being "cool"....

By the time I came into my step-son's life, he was already hopelessly distracted by video and computer games. He developed no real interest in doing things outdoors, but I remain hopeful! He just moved out to our property in the country where he must live without internet, in a mobile home without heat.

I recently gave him a couple of knives (SAK Forester, HI Bilton) for fun and Christmas, which he very much appreciated, and that surprised me. It is possible he is open to a change, now that he has reached the ripe old age of 19. Perhaps it is possible that with maturity, his interests and activities will change.

I certainly hope so!

Andy
 
Great story,

I'm a college student trying to get by, and I didn't have much of a father growing up (emotionally checked out when I was 5, and physically left when I was 17), and I used to carry some big tanto-bladed knife because I didn't know better, and I barely know any better now. No one ever taught me how to handle a knife (outside of knife-fighting I get in Filipino martial arts), or shoot, or all of those typical things a boy is "supposed" to learn growing up... I was given a knock-off Swiss Army when I was 10 and told not to cut myself.

To all you older guys out there teaching young guys like me this kind of stuff, thank you. I haven't found anyone to soak up information from yet, but I figure I will eventually. I'd like to be able to pass on information like that to my own children someday, and be the father I never had.
 
jackknife, if more kids were caught early, and given the quality time you are giving this fellow, we'd have a lot fewer jails, and the security companies would be doing something else with their time!
Parents take heed, if you spend an honest hour with a kid once in a while, they'll live their lives remembering all the wonderful times they had with you!
jk, you are an inspiration to us all! God Bless You!!
 
Great story,

I'm a college student trying to get by, and I didn't have much of a father growing up (emotionally checked out when I was 5, and physically left when I was 17), and I used to carry some big tanto-bladed knife because I didn't know better, and I barely know any better now. No one ever taught me how to handle a knife (outside of knife-fighting I get in Filipino martial arts), or shoot, or all of those typical things a boy is "supposed" to learn growing up... I was given a knock-off Swiss Army when I was 10 and told not to cut myself.

To all you older guys out there teaching young guys like me this kind of stuff, thank you. I haven't found anyone to soak up information from yet, but I figure I will eventually. I'd like to be able to pass on information like that to my own children someday, and be the father I never had.


Sci, you are exactly what I'm talking about. I hate it that theres a whole lost generation growing up not having the experiances they should. But there is hope for those who want.

Sci- go join a N.R.A. sponcered gun club and you will find that there are shooting courses and programs of instruction available. Best of all, the guys who volunteer to teach these courses are glad to be able to pass on any knowledge and skills they have. I can name a dozen guys at my club who have spent the last 30 years giving of thier time to coach the juniors teams, teach basic firearms safty to new members, teach self defence shooting classes, fly fishing classes, and so on. We love to teach, it makes our day if we can make make someones life a little richer in knowledge.

Join a club and seek out the old members. They would love to mentor a young person looking to learn. Sometimes we old farts love to talk, and appretiate someone willing to listen. :D
 
sci, my dad's father died when he was about 9 years, so he grew up a lot of his life without a dad. My nonna never remarried, but my dad turned out to be the world's best! Taught me how to be a crack shot, and how to win a fight, if it absolutely couldn't be avoided. You have your mind set on doing a good job, so you will succeed!!
 
sci, my dad's father died when he was about 9 years, so he grew up a lot of his life without a dad. My nonna never remarried, but my dad turned out to be the world's best! Taught me how to be a crack shot, and how to win a fight, if it absolutely couldn't be avoided. You have your mind set on doing a good job, so you will succeed!!

Sci - I second that - my grandpa died when my dad was 12 after being sick for years - I've got the greatest dad in the world, and he didn't have much to base "fathering" on. He was a wildland firefighter and a cop, and raised the 3 of us boys right - he picked up all of his skills "late" but taught them all to me when I was about knee high! Good luck brother.
 
Jackknife,
I think bladeforums has been blessed with their own resident philosopher. That was a real nice story. It made me realize just what a great upbringing I had and made me proud that I passed it on to my sons. Maybe I'll have the chance to pass it on to others also.

Thanks!
 
Thanks for the support, all!

I can't say I am completely without a "role model" per se, I look up to my "uncle" a lot and he has served as a mentor over the past year (and I have grown a lot over the past year because of this). Though I have pretty much forgotten who that man was who called himself my father, I have my uncle. Forgive me for slipping with my words; I'm running on coffee today.

He's a Vietnam vet, Army Ranger, and one hell of a guy and has taught me a lot. He's a close family friend who always says I should be his son, haha. We're going shooting sometime soon, and of course we play around and throw knives. In my position, I am thankful to have such a mentor, and I feel sorry for a lot of my peers who don't have the opportunity to spend any time with a person like him. Even though we don't see each other that often, I still learn a lot from him and use what I've learned from him everyday... and yes, I always carry a sharp knife (even if it's on my multi-tool... I haven't gotten a slipjoint YET).

He has expressed to me lately that he teaches me so much so that when his sons are older (ages 1 and 4 now) I can teach them... which makes me a bit nervous, haha. I'd like to get him a nice slipjoint knife for his birthday, but I have no idea where to start. I was thinking a Peanut, or some kind of traditional folder with a three inch blade of good carbon steel.
 
Jackknife, As always a great read.. This story really made me start missin my grandad. He passed away 2 years ago one day before his 92nd birthday..
He was a great man, always willing to spend time and teach me things Always very encouraging too.. Also the kind of person that was more concerned about others than himself.. It is sad that todays kids don't always have someone to help them learn and grow,and experience new things... I spend time doing things with my 9 year old son, teaching him how to shoot, gun safety, knife safety (he is already collecting and loves it).. He got his first bow a year ago and it has been great watching him learn, now he can't wait to go archery hunting with me. We take him with us he just can't hunt yet... I truly do get more satisfaction out of watching him learn and grow, that I do doing these things myself.. Every kid should have the great fortune to meet someone like you or my grandad....
 
Great to hear, Jackknife. Good for both of you!

For reasons that are too convoluted and probably too personal to go into, the male in the father role from the time I was two until I was nearly sixteen wasn't much of an outdoor influence beyond letting me take the long gun out hunting in the woods of our small farm. There was a fellow down the road who was a good influence, but we didn't spend a lot of time together in those persuits. He took me on a couple of hunts, might advised my mom on my first, all mine, shotgun, a Remington 1100 (I was just bugging her for the Marlin bolt action at much less money), that I got for Christmas (it was supposed to be from both parents, but my mom is the one who bought it and paid for it from the Western Auto on 90 days same as cash.), and gave me a pre-USA, Case XX, Barlow, explaining to me that the pre-USA was a good thing. He also tried to talk me into letting him trade the 30 inch, full choke, plain barrel on that 1100 for a 28 inch modified. I wouldn't because it was just the way my mother had given it to me. You would have thought that after cutting a bunny in half with it on that Christmas day hunt I might have listened a little. But, I didn't. Anyway, this fellow took me to a dog show or two that had a couple of classes for kids with mixed breeds. He showed some of his coon hounds and a bird dog or two I think, and I showed my mixed breed, farm beagle sort of dog, Brownie. I never won, but it was a good experience.

This fellow, Frank Ralston, even loaned me a 12 gauge, pump one time before I got the Remington, when I was still running the woods with a Stevens/Savage, 24 in .22lr/.410. There was this older, widowed, black lady who lived a little down the road. We called her, Mom Gibson, and would go visit her and take her a plate of something my mother had cooked up. As a Thanksgiving Day was approaching one year Mom Gibson declared how she would love to have a nice rabbit to cook up for Thanksgiving. I hunted for several days, but no bunny. I decided I needed more gun. I walked to Frank's place and explained what I was doing and asked if he had a bigger gun I could borrow. He called Mom to make sure it was okay, then brought out a 12 gauge pump and some shells for it. He gave me a quick lesson in operation and off I went. I suppose I was somewhere in the 12 - 14 yr old bracket then. Can you imagine that happening today? I didn't realize at the time just what a vote of confidence that was on both my mother's part and on Franks.

We had three outside dogs then, a collie that had come from the collie that was my nanny as a little kid, Patches, a Dalmation (purebred) and farm collie mix, and the above mentioned Brownie, who really just kind of filled in the crew, like a supporting cast member. Well, Patches, my "field" dog and designated companion dog, could run very fast. I mean give a jack rabbit a lead then nail it by 2/3rds of a large field fast. I'd seen this dog streak towards a tree, bounce high up the side and snatch a squirrel off the tree while it was trying to scurry up to safety. Patches would work a scent trail. Unfortunately, I had also witnessed said dog so intent on weaving all around nosing a trail that he walked right past the rabbit while intent on the trail. He wasn't really field dog, bragging material.

However, I took Patches with me and the borrowed gun. While walking across the harvested soybean field, suddenly Patch streaks off to on side and I hear a short squeal. The darn dog had actually seen a rabbit and shot off after it. The only damge to the bunny was a tooth mark and a little torn hide on one quarter. I would have preferred to shoot it in mighty hunter fashion so I could have been the hero, but it was for a higher purpose.

You can imagine how upset I was when proudly presenting the bunny to Ma Gibson to have her complain about the damaged quarter and declare it ruined. I'd put a lot of field time in trying to get her a bunny, and even if my dog beat me at it, he still came through and I was naturally proud of him. And I never even got to use that borrowed 12 gauge. Oh well.

It looks like I got off to a ramble there. Might even say I went around the barn to kick the cat. Where I originally was going with this, I think, was that I didn't have a lot in the way of male parental, outdoor influence, though there was some family fishing involved here and there. When I was younger we'd even spent some time with another couple, who were friends of my parents, on a two week stay at Dale Hollow Lake where we all rented a cabin and a boat. So there was some influence, but not the training in the outdoor arts that should have been passed on. A real shame when I found out later what an avid hunter and fisherman my step-grandfather had been. Even worse, my great-grandpa Rudd, who I idolized as a little kid, had gotten to the point that his kids sold his place and shuffled him around from place to place, finally sticking him in a nursing home. By then he was, I believe, suffering from Alzheimers <sp>, though everyone just said it was hardening of the arteries. He had been an old eastern mountain man from down in Eastern Kentucky. Yep, good old hillbilly stock. The things he could have taught me. To this day I still feel a loss at what I could have learned at his side. As it was he influenced me pretty good when I was a wee fellow. He died the summer between my 8th and 9th grade years.

Fortunately, I read a lot of the old outdoor magazines. I even joined the NRA as a junior member one year. While what passed for a father then tried to teach me a little about how to shoot, he just figured I was a bad shot. What he hadn't even considered was that I had a left dominate eye, and a bad lazy eye on the right, though we'd been through that enough with the eye doctor. He kept trying to make me shoot off my right shoulder. I had to pretty much learn to shoot on my own.

Once, when my mother sent me into the bank to do some business for her, I had snuck my passbook along and withdrew about $14 from my very meager savings. Most of what I ever had went towards our survival as the then old man had a problem with drink, as well as domestic violence. So I don't buy the "I had a rough childhood," excuse much. Anway, I took that money on a visit to my grandmother's who lived about 50 or 60 miles away in Northern Kentucky, Fort Mitchell to be exact. I'd seen this beautiful, Daisy, Buffalo Bill Commemerative, lever action, BB gun in the Oskamp Nolting catalog and I just ached for it. I showed my grandmother (another disfucntional story there, but she had her moments of goodness) my money and the Daisy in the catalog and asked her to buy it for me. Well, she said I needed my mother's permission and went to my mother. I guess Mom had mercy on me, seeing how much I was willing to go through for it. Okay, she wasn't real happy with me being sneaky, but she did take me to the store on our way back home and let me buy the Daisy.

I owe that gun, and my mother I reckon, a lot. I carried it all over the farm, shooting it as often as I had BBs. I would set used canning lids up on the fence for targets. At times I could watch the BBs in flight as they arched towards the targets. From that gun I learned sight picture, KY windage, and TN elevation. Much of my shooting ability probably comes from the time spent with that fancy etched, air gun. I had it until after I was married the first time when it finally died. Currently a regular, old Daisy 1894 (not the new Walther mades) is sitting in the garage with electrical tape in place of the barrel band. A kid was at his dad's table at a gun show in Fairbanks, AK, selling it to try and raise money for his first .22. What a hard thing to resist, a kid trying to sell his old shooter to raise money for a new gun, and an old beater that reminds you of your first BB gun. I gave him five bucks for it, for nostalgia and to give him a boost towards an admirable goal.

I was fortunate to have grown up in the country where hunting, fishing, and camping were part of the lifestyle. Conversations on the bus and at school would be about such outdoor things. Sure, we usually spouted off stuff we really didn't know much about, mostly repeating what we'd heard somewhere else. Still, we were still associated with an environment that fostered interest and desire to learn in those areas. Today there isn't a lot of that around. I learned much of what I did because of being a kid in the country. My heroes were cowboys and mountain men. I read Kjelgard's dog stories voraciously and wanted dogs just like that. I read "My Side of the Mountain." I wanted to find a place and live like that.

To actually have someone take the time and spend that time teaching you, sharing with you, and encouraging you in outdoor pursuits is a thing that many miss out on. It is also a thing to be cherished by both the student and the teacher. I took the time to teach my son guns and to a degree knives. We had some great days at the range and a few nice trips to the woods. He never turned into a gun nut or kept shooting and his interest in knives goes more to tactical/martial arts types and swords (I like swords my ownself, just don't have any currently). Hopefully, as he gets a little older he'll discover traditionals. I've gotten my step-son somewhat interested in them.

Great to hear you've been given a chance to get someone on the path that has been seeking it. I hope it works out well for both of you.

Sorry, that all got a little winded and winding.
 
Amos, from some of the locations you mention in your post, it sounds like you grew up right around my neck of the woods here in KY. Am I right?
 
.. Sorry, that all got a little winded and winding.

AIW,
I know that post was more~less to jacknife for the most part, but, Son.. on this light tackle, Thanks for taking me back with you into yesteryear! It seems we have lots more in common regarding firearms than I first thought... :rolleyes: :cool:
 
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