Ganzo and Sanrenmu

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So a while ago I bought a sanrenmu 710 and a Ganzo Firebird to practice sharpening on. I believe Ganzo is using the 440c they claim to be using as that's what it seems like while sharpening. I also believe that Sanremnu's 710 is using 8Cr13Mov. I mean neither one of them is easily re-profiled and they both hold a decent edge so neither is made of garbage steel.
Besides the steel, the Ganzo is complete crap as you all know. It is basically un-tunable garbage.
The sanrenmu on the other hand is actually quite good. Tuned to perfection and dead centered with great action. I don't believe that the 710 is a clone of the Sebenza. Maybe 'inspired by', but not a clone.
I'm going to guess most of you agree with me about the Ganzo, but does anyone here not hate Sanrenmu? Or at least the 710?
 
I get it, we like the good stuff here. The Ganzo is for nothing because I hate it, but the Sanrenmu is my dedicated master bedroom/ bathroom knife used for opening toiletries and the such. Maybe I am biased because I put a lot of love and work into that thing but, it really is perfectly suited for my bathroom needs. Lol!
"Sanrenmu: the perfect bathroom knife" should be there slogan.
 
I think Sanrenmu make decent knives. They are an entry for many people starting out. The don't try to make the 710 out to be a Sebenza and I don't think anyone would confuse it for one. Yes many people have negative opinions on the brand but those same people probably would talk bad about a gentle breeze.

Enjoy it if you like it and don't let others influence your life negatively.
 
Post a pic so everyone can see which knife you’re referring to
 
Ajack60 said:
Post a pic so everyone can see which knife you’re referring to
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Bet that made you do a double take 😂

It's this:

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Cruncho 500 said:
I get it, we like the good stuff here.
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Certain brands are a little more *controversial* here than others and you picked two out of the top five probably. Many on this website feel Ganzo especially has a rep for copycat/clone designs. Sanrenmu has a little bit of a better rep here.

In the end, buy what you like, it's your money. Just try to understand you might have hit a sore subject here at BFs. Most of the folks here believe the original creators should get credit and paid for their work. Like life, BF is full controversy too.

FYI, I have never bought a Ganzo or Sanrenmu knife.
 
I actually feel kind of bad about buying from Ganzo (supporting them ugh) a faker company, but not the 710. I will, however never buy from either company again as the Ganzo is terrible and the sanrenmu 710 I already have. I don't think I will be losing that anytime soon, it lives on my nightstand.
 
Cruncho 500 said:
I actually feel kind of bad about buying from Ganzo (supporting them ugh) a faker company, but not the 710. I will, however never buy from either company again as the Ganzo is terrible and the sanrenmu 710 I already have. I don't think I will be losing that anytime soon, it lives on my nightstand.
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If you are going to bring these brands up here , then at least have the fortitude to stand behind your decision to purchase them .

Or be proudly waffle weaselly , if that works for you . :rolleyes:

Sorry , but the distinction you draw between these two companies is bogus , IMO .

And many others are just as guilty , but get a pass for various reasons .

Ganzo is a favorite whipping boy here , as any superficial search would reveal .

An easy target compared to the zillion outright counterfeiters that really do the most harm , IMO . :mad:
 
I like nice, expensive knives as much as the next guy. At the same time I own three Sanrenmu knives. I have a $14.00 710 that I bought 5 years ago, and a $35 1161 that is a full sized folder and one of my favorites. Each of them is well worth the money I paid for them. They come sharp from the factory, easy to bring them back to sharp after use. You don't have to apologize for liking and using decent knives, no matter what they cost.
 
Ganzo has aped a lot of designs and design features over the years. That's why people hate them here. They don't actually counterfeit as far as I can tell but that's another issue. Nobody really knows the extent of what they make, including whether or what other companies quietly use them for OEM. As far as actual quality, they are generally okay for the price. All of their original models in D2 have tested as D2 and hardness has been decent. There was one case of their 440C being substituted by 8Cr13Mov on an older model but otherwise, it's been 440C with a reasonable heat treatment as far as $20 knives go.

Sanrenmu has a better reputation and has made knives for Spyderco, Boker, and other companies. They definitely make some Sebenza-style knives. The most popular of those runs 12C27 and G-10 for $20-25. Honestly, the build quality of those are pretty good. An important difference is that they run on steel bearings. The ones I've handled flick put very nicely with the thumb studs. Moral considerations aside, it is one of the best EDC knives you can get for the price.
 
There’s very few things I have any say so as to what I’m buying. I’ve learned over the years, there is no substitute like the real deal. Since collecting/using knives is a hobby for me, it’s the one thing I can decide as to where my funds are spent. I just don’t understand why anyone would want to spend their hard earned money on a fake Sebenza without having a real Sebenza in their hand. Regardless of the price, there is no comparison.
 
knifenuts should learn
what it is to know thy self.
if those said brands
are the absolute best
which one could possibly afford ;
then its best to not ever compare
and learn to be grateful
for what one has in hand
warts and all.
it is much better
to do away with
feelings of regret
as remorse spells nothing
but complete doom.
likewise one could certainly live
without the opinions of others
and carry on.
the fact is, everyone is different
and they are not you.
and the stark reality is
whatever one owns today
is mainly the result of perhaps
destiny and of one"s own choice
it would be a mistake
to fault others or a particular brand
especially if one is only too
well aware of product quality.
taboo brands are of course
subject to change.
but so too are people
once they come into money....
for better or for worst.
 
Ajack60 said:
There’s very few things I have any say so as to what I’m buying. I’ve learned over the years, there is no substitute like the real deal. Since collecting/using knives is a hobby for me, it’s the one thing I can decide as to where my funds are spent. I just don’t understand why anyone would want to spend their hard earned money on a fake Sebenza without having a real Sebenza in their hand. Regardless of the price, there is no comparison.
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There is no doubt that a real Sebenza is going to be like 1000x nicer. The thing is, the Sanrenmu knives aren't counterfeits that pretend to be a Sebenza. It's not like a "fake Rolex" that some poser might try to pass off as the real thing. They just have the same general form factor. There are probably lots of people in lots of countries who EDC the Sanrenmu without even knowing about CRK or Sebenza.

A big part of that is that the main Sanrenmu model aping this style is like $20. It sells on Amazon, eBay, AliExpress, etc. and is available in lots of places around the world. The CRK knives cost twenty times as much (or more) and exist within a much smaller niche. Honestly, I bought one of those Sanrenmu knives before I knew anything about Sebenza. I wasn't fresh off the turnip truck either. I considered myself a "knife guy" but had mostly been carrying Kershaw, CRKT, Gerber, Schrade, etc. My idea of a "good" knife back then was ZT or a fancy Buck.

Despite getting into nicer knives, I don't own any folders that cost over $300. I've also heard that you aren't supposed to "flick" Sebenzas but I don't know if that's the thumb-only flick I use to open most of thumb-stud knives or a full-on wrist flick with force. Either way, a Sebenza is just not on the table for me. On the other hand, my experiences with Ganzo did prompt me to try real deal. Now I own seven knives from Spyderco and I'm a big fan of the brand.
 
Chronovore said:
Moral considerations aside
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Design theft, trademark infringement, patent infringement, etc. Yeah, if you're devoid of morals and don't mind doing harm to the companies and employees that get their designs ripped off, Ganzo and Sanmenru are definitely prime companies to give your money to.:poop:

(unless you honestly didn't first know better, of course)
 
Cruncho 500 said:
I actually feel kind of bad about buying from Ganzo (supporting them ugh) a faker company, but not the 710. I will, however never buy from either company again as the Ganzo is terrible and the sanrenmu 710 I already have. I don't think I will be losing that anytime soon, it lives on my nightstand.
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Ganzo and Sanrenmu are two well known fakers, cloners, IP thieves, call them what you want the fact remains these brands built themselves up by stealing from creative brands / knife makers. Already bought one ? No need to feel bad, just don't do it again. At this price there are a lot of options to be had from honest brands (Buck, Case...). Anybody please feel free to add alternatives, made in the US or not, to buying from thieves (yes, Ganzo and Sanrenmu are thieves). To Buck and Case I might add Böker. Cool your jets, I know Böker has a lot made in China. It's not about country of manufacture as some would like to make you believe. But it's definitely a matter of respecting intellectual property.
 
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