Gayle Bradley "Competition Hunter"

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When it comes to developing high-performance blades, knife maker Gayle Bradley of Weatherford, TX has a very impressive track record (www.bradleysblades.com). As a founding member of BladeSports International, he's had the opportunity to consult at length with some of the best engineers and metallurgists in the business at companies like Crucible, Carpenter Steel, Peters Heat Treating and others, in the development of extreme performance blades. His experience runs the gamut through every aspect of steel, geometry, and heat treat plus testing in live competition. He has done two collaborations with Spyderco to date, and is always developing new projects.

Although he makes primarily high-end folders these days, Gayle still has fire in the belly for extreme performance fixed blades. In conversations over a few weeks last winter, I was delighted to learn that we see eye-to-eye on many performance aspects of knives in general and hunting knives in particular. He recently honored me by building a high-efficiency cutter in his favorite CPM M4 steel, based on my hunter design:

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Overall length is 10" with blade length from bolster to point of 5". My original sketch:

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Compared with my original design, this one rounds off the bird's beak at the butt and has a full/tapered tang, as he's using the same construction method used on his competition cutters, including HSM (horse stall mat) slabs for the handle (wonderfully comfortable and secure). From my sketch, he incorporated the downward angle of the edge as it comes off the ricasso, which preserves the deep belly I prefer for skinning, but he lengthened the clip for a finer point, which I find I like. Instead of a conventional guard, he used double-pinned, tapered bolsters which are very comfortable, especially when choking up. He even heat treats the 416 bolsters, by the way. The knife balances on the rear edge of the bolster--just right.

Over the course of setting many cutting records using his own knives in BladeSports competitions, Gayle has refined both the heat treat and high-performance grinds achievable with M4 to an amazing degree. Blade thickness on this hunter is .14" at the spine/ricasso, with distal taper forward from the plunge, flat ground to about .005" edge thickness in the forward part of the blade. The angle for the master grind (primary blade grind), which Gayle calculates precisely prior to grinding using a trigonometry formula, is only about 7 degrees included. Heat treated with an innovative directional air quench Gayle developed himself, the hardness is 61 HRC.

For quality control, he cut an extra M4 blank of the design, finished and heat treated the blade, and tested it by applying pressure across a 3-inch span of the blade with a 1000 lb. press, achieving enough deflection to assure the blade would not break with hand pressure alone. To check the grain structure in the steel, he then took that blade to destruction by adding pressure with a cheater bar until the knife finally broke under an estimated 1700+ psi. The grain structure at the break was as pure as it gets. I've never known a maker to go to these lengths to test a blade design and heat treat before sending a knife to me.

I had intended this to be a pure cutter--a meat and hide razor--and it is. From early testing I've done on hard sisal rope, I would subjectively put it among the top three knives in cutting efficiency I've ever experienced. Gayle opted to leave the rear part of the edge at about .015" for added strength, which is about the same edge thickness of his big competition choppers--still "high-performance thin" by most makers' standards, even for smaller knives. His thinking was that if I were hunting in the "outback" and had to rely on the knife in a survival situation, I could baton this one through whatever I need to without fear of failure. As I said, I'm very impressed with the aggressiveness of the edge, and have ordered another like it that should be even more impressive using a similarly thin primary grind to an edge thickness only about half this one--under .003". :eek:

I know I'm getting obsessive/compulsive here with extreme cutting geometry. But given that CPM M4 is the toughest high speed steel Crucible ever produced (see * below), and with Gayle's years of experience and testing on M4 to back up performance/reliability, I told him I didn't want to "leave anything on the table" in terms of high-performance cutting efficiency. When I promised not to chop bone or baton with this next one, he chuckled--then agreed. :)

To say I'm pumped about these knives would be an understatement--maybe you can tell? :D

* From Crucible’s information sheet on CPM High Speed Steels: " CPM M4 is the toughest high speed steel we produce and is surpassed in wear resistance only by CPM T15, Rex 76, and Rex 121."

The view topside:
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Wow- I'll bet that is a pleasure to use! There are so many features I like on that knife, like the transition from ricasso to edge. Is the space in front of the guard useable (long enough) to choke up on?

Is Mr. Bradley taking orders?
 
Wow- I'll bet that is a pleasure to use! There are so many features I like on that knife, like the transition from ricasso to edge. Is the space in front of the guard useable (long enough) to choke up on?

That's what it's designed for--works great. The front side of the guard is dished and the ricasso angled and radiused to form a very comfortable nook for your finger--perfect for choking up. I also like the way the bolster tapers out onto the ricasso--you can "pinch" the blade and the bolster at the same time in any hold, so there is no point in that transition where your grip becomes awkward. Truly great design, IMO.


Is Mr. Bradley taking orders?

Contact him through his website--I think he may already have taken a few orders for this pattern:

www.bradleysblades.com
 
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I hope you'll put that one to work and report back on performance - though you're kind of spoiled for choice in the hunter department. ;)

Roger
 
Will, I have great admiration for your quest!
Really like dealing with knife makers who 'practice what they preach' when it comes to making performance specific cutlery
 
Will when are we going to see a group photo?
be great to see them all together, nice knife.

There's a shot of the seven previous iterations together in the last thread linked in post #2 above. Thanks for the nice words, guys.

Joe...me first! :D
 
Will, you notched up to another level on your hunter design project. This is really special, and Gayle had to be awesome to work with on this. What a performer in a hunter package. :thumbup:

Congrats!

- Joe
 
I just got to read the full post and boy it's an impressive sounding knife and a testament to the maker's knowledge and abilities.
Amazing stuff.
 
Thanks Joe and Stuart. Seems just when I think there's nothing more to try in terms of blade engineering and design, I run across another top-flight maker with something amazing to offer. Fun stuff for me--and fun to share with you guys. :thumbup:
 
Here's the group shot Will mentioned for the click-impaired. ;)

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Starting clockwise with the knife at the top, it's by Rick Dunkerley in 10V and amber stag, then the Hanson in ladder damascus and mammoth, then this most recent S90V knife of Stuart's, then the engraved-guard Bradshaw in ladder damascus and pre-ban elephant ivory, then the Knight in W2 and walrus ivory, then Stuart's first one in 1095 and ironwood, then John White's Turkish twist and Merino sheep horn.
 
Will,

This looks like an ultra-nice addition to your impressive Hunter collection.
Congrats.

Doug
 
Will, very interesting post ! Your quest for the ultimate performance Hunter is one the rest of us hunting knife lovers can admire.
I need a little help to understand this:
"The angle for the master grind (primary blade grind), which Gayle calculates precisely prior to grinding using a trigonometry formula, is only about 7 degrees included"
Does this mean the angle from the spine to the edge is 3.5 degrees per side ? If so, it doesn't seem enough to go from a spine of 0.14" to 0.005" at the edge, so i think the 7 degrees refers to something else ?
Also, have you found a 5" blade to actually function better than a 4", and if so in what regard ?
To me a 5" blade somehow feels a bit too big and i think i have more control/agility with a shorter blade. I wonder if this is a function of body size/arm length ?
And finally, with 7 different Hunters of similar design, it would be most interesting to hear how this Bradley knife performs relative to the others. Your impressions, not a full blown field test of 2-3 animals per knife which would be far too much work & time, and not practical either.
Thanks for the help in better understanding your design.
roland
 
Hi Roland--thank you for your remarks and for the opportunity to clarify. The 7 degree angle would be the angle at the juncture of the two blade flats--where they would intersect, if that angle were followed out to the intersection. This blade isn't ground to zero, but almost, so the point of intersection is beyond the edge and essentially hypothetical. With the blade thickness at the shoulder of the edge bevel measuring about .005" thick in the belly-to-point area, it's a very nice, thin grind.

On your blade length question: For field dressing anything up to elk size, I completely agree that a 3.5-4" blade is plenty, because you gain nothing from any more length than that. But if you butcher animals in the field as I usually do, some additional length of blade allows you to make one deep cut when taking the hams off the bone or removing a back strap, rather than multiple cuts at different depths. For instance, on a mature bull, the depth of the backstrap (loin) can easily be 5" or more. So with a 4" blade, you make one relatively shallow cut as deep as you can, and then have to go back and finish the cut down to the ribs. I know many people use a hunter for field dressing only, and either take the carcass to a processor or wait until they have it home where they can use kitchen knives to process it. Or if horses or mules are available, they quarter the animal with a saw and hatchet to get it back to camp or to a trailhead. A nice sturdy 3.5" to 4" blade folder will gut even large animals, no problem. But I find things go quicker when butchering in the field with a longer blade, out to about 5.5 or 6". Beyond that, point work becomes more awkward so you reach a point of diminishing return, IMO.

Thanks for your interest in a comparison between my different examples of the design. I'll have to do that one of these days. Most of the seven have yet to be put to use. In terms of pure cutting I'd put this Bradley knife, the Dunkerley 10V and Stuart Branson's S90V blade at the top of the list. And in terms of edge holding, I would expect any of these knives to fully butcher an elk in the field without touch-up--or probably 3-4 animals if field dressing only. That's a subjective call, but I hope it speaks to your question. The John White piece is also ground extremely thin, but I haven't cut anything with it. And Jason Knight's W2 blade feels very aggressive--again, have not cut anything with it.
 
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Knowing a bit about you, your knowledge and experience using knives Will, i'm sure that knife is nothing short of exceptional.

Thanks for providing all the information.

Peter
 
Will, thank you for 'expanding' a little. You're right about butchering in the field. For a few years now i've preferred the elk that were standing close to my woodshed where i have a gambrel with a block & tackle permanently set up. Up to about 10 years ago we would debone in the field but the day long rasty sidehill packs out don't have the same appeal for me anymore.
I do have a fine set of Butcher knives from Rick Menefee which i use on the "woodshed" elk. However a "Will York Design Hunter" would still be a fine knife around here, or for any serious hunter i'm sure.
roland
 
Thanks, Roland--I always appreciate your input. And thank you and Peter both for the kind words about this latest model.

Will
 
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