GEC vs Victorinox

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So I'm in the mood to just carry a slippy for edc and right now that's a Vic 50th anniversary Soldier model. I'm pretty happy with it but I got the idea in my head of carrying something more old timey looking. So I'm looking around the net and found the Northfield Moose pattern that just came out and I'm really digging it. Anyway, long story short, is there a noticeable difference in edge holding of the GEC 1095 over Vic's stainless? Is there a noticeable difference in function of the springs/mechanism? One come with stiffer springs etc.? I'm just trying to justify a $130 slippy. I'm not sure I want to pay that much for something that looks old timey but is functionally no better then what I have. Thanks.
 
The moose starts around $80 so if you're justifying $130 then you're also justifying some exotic handle material. GEC makes nice knives as does Victorinox. Regarding the springs, on the 66 pattern they shouldn't be noticeably stiff. Regarding the steel, in my experience the 1095 will take and hold a better edge than the stainless that Victorinox uses but both knives will cut. If you need to justify it to yourself, then you probably don't need it. If you only need a knife to cut stuff, an Opinel costs around $8. ;)
 
Here are a couple comparison photos. I threw in a fancy Opinel (>$8) just for fun. I've also seen expensive Swiss army knives that sell for way more than regular production. All of these knives are good cutters. The Douk-Douk has the best edge of the bunch but I'm also better at sharpening straight edges... I should also mention that GEC has really stepped up their attention to the grinds on their newer knives...or atleast the newer knives that I've bought. The White Owl that I bought a short while ago has a very impressive grind. If it had mill relieved liners and half stops, it would be very close to a custom. Which also brings to mind the Case/Bose collaboration knives... and it's a slippery slope to a custom slipjoint. ;)

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I have a few soldiers and love them. They are versatile with the tools and the heftier blade is great. I have collected plenty of other SAK models as well. They are traditional in the sense that it is a scout pattern style knife. The consistent quality makes them great users. I also love the feel of a bone handled knife, so I have collected other traditional patterns based on my taste and feedback from right here. I tend to have a non-SAK traditional in my pocket 99% of the time and am happy. Today it is my Yeller 'Nut and an English Jack. The Peanut is constant and the Jack has not been carried much. Variety is nice. I am also a big fan of the work that GEC is doing. All the knives I want now are GEC. My only worry is how tough is the pull on the knives. I have thin nails and only lighter pull knives stay in my collection these days. Had a Cuban Stockman years ago that was a keeper except that the blade pull was too much for me. The real choice is do I just want blades or do I need the tools as well as a blade?
 
I'd say, it all depends.

If you value the practical over the whimsey, the down to earth over the more flamboyant, then no. It won't be worth it. But if you like a little flair in your life, and go fr a little style over the pragmatic, then yes. People have different tastes, and sometimes it's nice to have something a cut above. Function has nothing to do with it, it's all needs vs wants. I could have bought any Honda motorcycle if I just wanted a motorcycle, but I spent the dollars for the BW's, and to me, it was worth it. Finer in the details kind of thing.

I have a sak soldier, albeit the Wenger SI version. It's a great knife/tool and I like it. It cuts things, fixes things, but I don't love it like a jigged bone or stag scaled traditional. For me, and I guess people in general, one thing will push my button like no other. The Wenger is a great knife, and I appreciate the quality and versatility of it, but it does not speak to me. Yet my jigged bone and damascus peanut pushes some button, and I love it.

If you have to wonder about it, I'd say maybe you shouldn't buy it. Knives, guns, motorcycles, cars, are all the ego/id kind of thing. I think if you look at it, you should feel immediate pull to it, or pass on by. It should grab you right there. If you have to think about it, then maybe you should think about it. Only you know what you feel.

Any Opinel or sak will serve you in day to day life. Anything more is luxuriously feeding our ego. But sometimes that's fun too!:D

Carl.
 
I agree 100 % with Carl. He speaks right out of my mind.

Kind regards
Andi
 
In terms of steel choice, it depends on what you like. I like stainless knives for things like backpacking, where the knife will be used hard and put away wet and left for a long period of time. This said, I really don't care for the Inox on SAKs. When I sharpen it, it seems to hold a burr for a very long time but the edge doesn't seem to last like like, say, Buck's 420HC, which isn't a super steel but I do like it better. For EDC knives, I prefer 1095. Sharpens up nicely. I love the patina. So... if were looking for a stainless slip joint, I would look elsewhere than Victorinox. But that's just me.

In terms of styles, this is even more personal. Short answer is buy and carry what ever makes you happy.

In my (addled) mind, there are 3 things to consider: beauty, function and tradition.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Often, it means fit and finish but it also can mean, "I think that looks cool." If this is important, cruise the web sites, find out who has the best reps and buy what moves you making no apologies to anybody.

Function is a funny thing. Some folks like little tiny knives. Some folks like big lockers. Some folks like a certain blade shape, or combination of blades and/or tools. As others have noted, you can get wonderful function for very little.

Tradition.... In my opinion, tradition is the core thing about traditionals. Who made it? Is that company and their knives a part of the culture and tradition of it is from? What is the work history of the pattern?

GEC makes stunning knives by all accounts. They make them in the traditional style but, there are others too. One could argue that companies with longer histories like Case, Buck and others are more deeply traditional in that sense.

I'm not sure anything I've written here will be of any help for you. You can get perfectly functional older slip joints off of an auction site for under $20. You can get really beautiful Rough Riders for very little if you're willing to give up on their "traditional" creds. Lots of choices.
 
GREAT answer. Except for the BMW MC thing. ;) Do you feel like an apple or an orange?


I'd say, it all depends.

If you value the practical over the whimsey, the down to earth over the more flamboyant, then no. It won't be worth it. But if you like a little flair in your life, and go fr a little style over the pragmatic, then yes. People have different tastes, and sometimes it's nice to have something a cut above. Function has nothing to do with it, it's all needs vs wants. I could have bought any Honda motorcycle if I just wanted a motorcycle, but I spent the dollars for the BW's, and to me, it was worth it. Finer in the details kind of thing.

I have a sak soldier, albeit the Wenger SI version. It's a great knife/tool and I like it. It cuts things, fixes things, but I don't love it like a jigged bone or stag scaled traditional. For me, and I guess people in general, one thing will push my button like no other. The Wenger is a great knife, and I appreciate the quality and versatility of it, but it does not speak to me. Yet my jigged bone and damascus peanut pushes some button, and I love it.

If you have to wonder about it, I'd say maybe you shouldn't buy it. Knives, guns, motorcycles, cars, are all the ego/id kind of thing. I think if you look at it, you should feel immediate pull to it, or pass on by. It should grab you right there. If you have to think about it, then maybe you should think about it. Only you know what you feel.

Any Opinel or sak will serve you in day to day life. Anything more is luxuriously feeding our ego. But sometimes that's fun too!:D

Carl.
 
Yeah, that #66 moose is a very nice knife. Mayhap that one grabbed hold of you like Carl was talking about. I know it did for me. Took many years for me to find something to buy with the intention of carrying it after getting my mini trapper broken in, lol. I buy in bunches and themes and the GED bullwinkle was the first knife style in about 5 years I started buying. Now I have 5... good grief! They very from having a good strong snap to my EDC that really slams open. The edge holding on it seems to be very good so far and it takes a wicked edge.

Anyway buy something that grabs you and if it is the bullwinkle then dive in.

I rarely offer buying advice but if I were to say to myself that I was buying ONE traditional knife to carry for a long, long time, wasn't the 1095 slut that I am, and wanted something that was rugged and durable and just a tad larger? Well I might look at the Schatt & Morgan F&W sowbelly. Lots of great options out there. Find something you really like.

Measure twice and cut once as they say.

Will
 
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