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Gen. 6 Strider SnG Spearpoint -OR- a SureFire (Folding) Delta
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i have an SnG and have handled a delta, of the 2 i prefer the SnG i just dont care for the deltas looks myself, seemed like an ok knife though, i like the alpha model a lot better FWIW, one pro the the SnG vs any of the SF knives imho is that the striders will have lots better resale value and demand, the SF knives are expensive retail, difficult to get a deal on, and not very popular on the secondary market should ya wanna sell it and get some $$ back outta it. i also am not crazy about a knife having tool slots etc on it, just dont like the look. one thing though, all the SF knives are well made with excellent materials and F&F, so if you do like the look, its not a bad knife,
of those 2 i would take a SnG everytime, my SnGs are some of my fav knives and are imho one of the very best edc knives in that general size.
between an alpha model or an SnG?? probably, maybe still the SnG but its getting awfull close.
of those 2 i would take a SnG everytime, my SnGs are some of my fav knives and are imho one of the very best edc knives in that general size.
between an alpha model or an SnG?? probably, maybe still the SnG but its getting awfull close.
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They're both around the same retail price (the Delta is $25 more). And you're right, you can get some nice customs at that price, or for a little more.
The Delta is relatively new and the only review I've come across was on KnifeForums. The SnG has been around for a couple of years and I think has established itself as a tough, proven design. It comes down to either you want a straightforward tactical knife, or one with several gadgets and whatnot thrown into the design. Both, I'm sure, will serve your needs.
It's apples vs. oranges.
Look at the design features and decide what will work for you: A wedge ground blade vs. flat ground - wedges can be stronger in prying, flats cut easier in full depth. Pivot design: an arc cutout with guide pin vs. bull pivot - which looks stronger to you? I prefer the bull pivot; with the wedge ground blade for better prying the arc cutout appears to compromise the combination, and doesn't look well thought out. Further - why the guide pin other than as a blade stop? It could have been done more conventionally with out the weakening cut out.
The redundant spydie hole and disc are not well cordinated either - you really only need one or the other, and only training will ensure consistent opening, so why not just choose one and make the design more elegant and less busy. Unless that's the point, and now all the added multitool functions line up for what they are: window dressing to sell the knife, not optimized tools in a single design. A glass breaker on a light ti knife with cutouts is not the best choice to store potential energy to release against auto glass; it takes mass or high speed to deliver the energy. In this example, you're going to have to deliver a lot of force quickly to accomplish breaking the glass, compared to a larger or more effectively designed breaker. And really, how often do we need to do that? Comparing to the SnG answers the question, it's not a prority or your only other choices would include the feature, like the Hinderer Rescue.
A real comparision would rest between the latter and the Delta, not the SnG, so sort out what you want the knife to do - $425 is a lot to drop on a something that won't function for you, unless that's the real endgame - if so, I'd suggest a Sebenza. Few here would fault your decision.
Look at the design features and decide what will work for you: A wedge ground blade vs. flat ground - wedges can be stronger in prying, flats cut easier in full depth. Pivot design: an arc cutout with guide pin vs. bull pivot - which looks stronger to you? I prefer the bull pivot; with the wedge ground blade for better prying the arc cutout appears to compromise the combination, and doesn't look well thought out. Further - why the guide pin other than as a blade stop? It could have been done more conventionally with out the weakening cut out.
The redundant spydie hole and disc are not well cordinated either - you really only need one or the other, and only training will ensure consistent opening, so why not just choose one and make the design more elegant and less busy. Unless that's the point, and now all the added multitool functions line up for what they are: window dressing to sell the knife, not optimized tools in a single design. A glass breaker on a light ti knife with cutouts is not the best choice to store potential energy to release against auto glass; it takes mass or high speed to deliver the energy. In this example, you're going to have to deliver a lot of force quickly to accomplish breaking the glass, compared to a larger or more effectively designed breaker. And really, how often do we need to do that? Comparing to the SnG answers the question, it's not a prority or your only other choices would include the feature, like the Hinderer Rescue.
A real comparision would rest between the latter and the Delta, not the SnG, so sort out what you want the knife to do - $425 is a lot to drop on a something that won't function for you, unless that's the real endgame - if so, I'd suggest a Sebenza. Few here would fault your decision.
i dont know i wouldnt prefer either one to a seb.
and yes i have a seb lol, just isnt one of my favs.
honestly, would prefer a seb to the delta. probably not to an alpha though.
shame on me but imho the delta is, well, one ugly freaking knife and just too busy for me to ever consider.
and yes i have a seb lol, just isnt one of my favs.
honestly, would prefer a seb to the delta. probably not to an alpha though.
shame on me but imho the delta is, well, one ugly freaking knife and just too busy for me to ever consider.
If I understand you correctly, the additional features on the SureFire Delta are more of a façade than practical tools, right?
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the tools may be useful in a pinch, but for practical purposes, probably difficult to use. only the seatbelt slicer looks useful to me.
if you want a knife with a bunch of other stuff, id get a sak or multi-tool.
i dont care for the skeletonized handle. just seems like a finger or something could get caught in the scale then sliced.
I hadn't considered that. While unlikely, you never know. I can certainly see it happening if you weren't paying attention and that'd be a very nasty cut.
Using the nut spanner on the side of the knife in a limited working area eliminates about 85% of real world application. All the old alligator wrenches I've seen in flea markets have all been worn to a frazzle, and I would expect the same from titanium, which is not necessarily harder or of sufficient yield strength to keep from shearing off - if you can get that much torque on it.
I operate a press brake, and I have experience the extreme difficulty that a 30mm bolt turned 1/8 turn with a 10" wrench to snug can be when I go back to loosen it with my fingers. I work on my own cars, and I know that any bolt/nut tightened with about any wrench by hand cannot be physically loosened with a short stub or by hand. The force involved is too great.
No way is the nut spanner on the Delta going to do the job except on an exposed loose hex - the concept is a joke. I love Surefire lights, but they should stick to their expertise. Ask yourself if you would buy a G2 with a compass and whistle built in.
I operate a press brake, and I have experience the extreme difficulty that a 30mm bolt turned 1/8 turn with a 10" wrench to snug can be when I go back to loosen it with my fingers. I work on my own cars, and I know that any bolt/nut tightened with about any wrench by hand cannot be physically loosened with a short stub or by hand. The force involved is too great.
No way is the nut spanner on the Delta going to do the job except on an exposed loose hex - the concept is a joke. I love Surefire lights, but they should stick to their expertise. Ask yourself if you would buy a G2 with a compass and whistle built in.