General date on swords

[BerenWeaver]

I work for an antique store, and my boss brought in two swords from an auction he went to over the weekend. Please note that I am not trying to sell or get a price on these, I am just looking for some help in determining a date, to settle a conflict. His contention is that the swords are from the late 1800's, based on how old the wood on the handles, and the leather of the sheath looks to him. In my appraisal of it, they're a more modern production, never really intended to be used for much. Perhaps someone knows something about it, or can at least give me a date range.
Here are some pictures to help.

Please ask anything. I'll be happy to answer. Thanks for your help.

-BerenWeaver

 

[horseclover]

Something that is missing are dimensions and shots of the overall. The Hilts seem to be of the Prussian/German 1889 cavalry ilk but the blade details not really shown. I am pretty sure you may find them to be Chilean police or cavalry swords and the hilt type would be an earliest possible association of time.

Please post a picture of the crest straight on and a picture of the entire sword(s) with some blade dimensions.

Also this pdf
http://asoac.org/bulletins/92_weatherly_swords.pdf

Look at figures 24 and 32b

Google Chilean crest and please do better show and describe the blades. Considering the scabbards, these are not European cavalry swords but the hilt is the basis for that look.

I'll poke around in the Old Swords resource for you but do please post those pics and the blade dimension.

Cheers

GC

 

[horseclover]

Yup, the one example at Old Swords lists a thirty-one inch blade and has the same scabbard type. Another resource showing these.
http://www.arms2armor.com/Swords/chilean1.htm

 

[BerenWeaver]

each of the blades is 30 1/2 inches long. A very faint bit of the engraving exists on one, but the blades are in such tarnished condition it is mostly worn away. The 'quill' description is good for the blades, I'd been looking for the right word. It's a lot like a feather, with a rounded rib the length of the blade, with the vane on one side, and then for the last few inches on the back side of the blade. it appears as though those are the ones We have, thank you for your help. Here are some more pictures like you wanted.

 

[horseclover]

Yes, the round back of the blade is called a pipe back and when a pipe or other rideg splie the point to create a back edge at the point, it is called a quill point. These are pipe back but not quill point. A US m1833 dragoon would be an example of a quill point with the spine dividing the point in the last inches.

Yes, they are what are listed as linked above.

Cheers

GC