Gerber lmf 2 or sog seal pup elite?

Be aware that all steel can rust and proper maintenance of your tools is necessary for them to last a long time. That said, I've owned both models and the SOG is the better choice. I hate serrations and he LMFII doesn't come in plain edge. Also the handle on the Gerber is an odd shape and doesn't fit as well in the hand as the SOG. The sheath for the Greber is great but it's very bulky where as the SOG's Kydex is slimmer and easier to wear. Overall, I'd say the SOG outdoes the Gerber in pretty much every area.
 
dudethatlikesblades said:
I want it for everything a knife can do. Without oiling it.
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Are you in the Army and want this knife for jumping out of aircraft, smashing windows and bricks, cutting straps and wire, hammering spikes or nails, and prying stuff open? If so, that's what the LMFII is designed for. And it is bulky to serve the purposes.

If you are NOT in the army and do not intend to relegate this to a 'truck knife', then you may be better served by a lighter, less multi-purpose cutting tool. The Seal Pup Elite is that, as is the Gerber Prodigy and a great many other knives which are all superior to the LMFII for general utility cutting and woodcraft. If you are restricting yourself to only these two knives and your demands do not match the first line, get the SOG. I have the Gerber, i like it alot, but I am not military and the knife doesn't see nearly as much use as others I own. The pommel does work well as a hammer, the blade is thick enough to pry, the serrations do cut rope and other materials with authority and can carve wood, etc., the plain-edge is easy to sharpen, the handle is comfortable and well insulated in cold weather, but it's just so heavy and bulky that it is not my preferred cutting tool when other choices are available. That's my $0.02
 
chiral.grolim said:
Are you in the Army and want this knife for jumping out of aircraft, smashing windows and bricks, cutting straps and wire, hammering spikes or nails, and prying stuff open? If so, that's what the LMFII is designed for. And it is bulky to serve the purposes.

If you are NOT in the army and do not intend to relegate this to a 'truck knife', then you may be better served by a lighter, less multi-purpose cutting tool. The Seal Pup Elite is that, as is the Gerber Prodigy and a great many other knives which are all superior to the LMFII for general utility cutting and woodcraft. If you are restricting yourself to only these two knives and your demands do not match the first line, get the SOG. I have the Gerber, i like it alot, but I am not military and the knife doesn't see nearly as much use as others I own. The pommel does work well as a hammer, the blade is thick enough to pry, the serrations do cut rope and other materials with authority and can carve wood, etc., the plain-edge is easy to sharpen, the handle is comfortable and well insulated in cold weather, but it's just so heavy and bulky that it is not my preferred cutting tool when other choices are available. That's my $0.02
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Well stated.. These are 2 totally different knives. The LMF, Ontario ASEK 1400/1410 and/or Air Force survival knife 499/6150 definitely have more uses than the SOG. If the OP wants 1 knife for all tasks then its not the Seal pup.

Having said this. I would prefer a system with a Seal Pup Elite, Bahco Laplander folding saw, and small pry bar. (if for some reason you can't oil the blade get the TiNi coating on the SOG)
 
The pup is the better choice for all the reasons mentioned above. Plus it is full tang where the gerber is not, purposely, but still not.
 
craytab said:
The pup is the better choice for all the reasons mentioned above. Plus it is full tang where the gerber is not, purposely, but still not.
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They are both rat-tail tangs and the width, thickness, and similar tang length make the LMF much stronger. Also the LMF is much wider at the ricasso/shoulder area and tapers off nicely. The fact that the little Pup has a more proportionate tail to blade ratio than the LMF is not a factor as the pup would break first in a stress test. Again, the tail of the LMF is Wider, thicker and almost as long as seal pup, so it's simple math.

I prefer the pup for my sysytem, but it is not stronger than the LMF.

Mentioning the tang implies strength. Otherwise who cares?.. Look at these and tell me which would snap first at the ricasso/shoulder where the blade meets the handle. They are 2 totally different knives and the LMF could be better for a certain system requiring more strength.. just not mine..





 
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GlockandBalls said:
They are both rat-tail tangs and the width, thickness, and similar length makes the LMF much stronger. Also the LMF is much wider at the ricasso area and tapers off nicely. The fact that the little Pup has a more proportionate tail to blade ratio than the LMF is not a factor as the pup would break first in a stress test. Again, the tail of the LMF is Wider, thicker and almost as long as seal pup, so it's simple math.
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Neither tang would be considered a "rat tail" tang. Think about it, what does a real rat's tail look like? Long and very thin. The tang on the above knives are quite substantial. If you manage to snap the blade at the tang you are doing something very foolish with a cutting tool. Get a pry bar. :)
 
D R E said:
Neither tang would be considered a "rat tail" tang. Think about it, what does a real rat's tail look like? Long and very thin. The tang on the above knives are quite substantial. If you manage to snap the blade at the tang you are doing something very foolish with a cutting tool. Get a pry bar. :)
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Yea more of a shouldered tang.. My point was that the LMF is stronger. In my first post I mention my system with a saw and pry bar. But regardless of what should be done, if the OP wants a knife that has more overall capability (prying, scoring, sawing, hammering as mentioned above, etc..) the LMF wins in spades.. Its just not how we do it..
 
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I'll take the FULL TANG pup any day over the LMF. Geber also uses garbage plastic on the upper portion of the handle. It can break in simple batoning. Also, I would trust SOGs Aus8 over whatever the Gerber is made out of (I know, its 420HC). You talk about capability, but I like my knife to be capable of being a knife. The Pup is much better at being a knife. The OP says he wants this knife "for everything a knife can do". To me, that is cutting.

That said, neither would be my choice.
 
SOG is indeed a full, hidden tang knife in 3/16" thickness, made from a really tough stainless so corrosion will be minimal even with neglect. I have the Elite, it's a nice light, fixed blade with a high quality sheath for what, $65?
 
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