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German knife laws?
- Thread starter Seb
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I also would like to know.
OK Seb, just go to your local bookstore and ... damn! Why I'm speaking English?
Also Seb, kauf dir "WaffR" (=Waffenrecht) aus dem dtv-Verlag für ca 12 DM.
Grundsätzlich sind bei uns alle Messer für über 18 jährige erlaubt. Es gibt folgende Ausnamen:
- Spring- oder Fallmesser mit langer, dünner Klinge. Das Verhältnis ist etwa 1 : 0,14.
- Das tragen von beidseitig beschliffen Messer bei öffentlichen Veranstaltungen (Demos, Oktoberfest, ...)
- Wenn Schilly mit seinen Vorschlägen durchkommt (Wehe ich erwische einen Rot-Grün-Wähler!
) kannst Du in Zukunft auch mit Balisongs / Butterflys Ärger kriegen.
Bitte mach nicht den Fehler und frag bei der Polizei nach sowas!
1. Die erzählen Dir nur Scheiße, weil Sie wollen, daß weniger Leute mit Messern rumlaufen.
2. Die werden sich für deine Personalien interessieren. Rate mal wer dann in einer Notwehrsituation "Polizeibekannt" ist?!?
3. Die kennen die Gesetze meist selber nicht.
Ach noch was: wenn du Minderjährig bist, darfst du offiziell nur einseitig beschliffene Messer tragen
.
For you english speaking guys: I was just a little teaching in German law. Nothing you will ever have to deal with. If you come as tourist to Germany remeber: (western-world) foreigner usually get a tollerance-bonus by the cops. (I calim that without any prove)
Also Seb, kauf dir "WaffR" (=Waffenrecht) aus dem dtv-Verlag für ca 12 DM.
Grundsätzlich sind bei uns alle Messer für über 18 jährige erlaubt. Es gibt folgende Ausnamen:
- Spring- oder Fallmesser mit langer, dünner Klinge. Das Verhältnis ist etwa 1 : 0,14.
- Das tragen von beidseitig beschliffen Messer bei öffentlichen Veranstaltungen (Demos, Oktoberfest, ...)
- Wenn Schilly mit seinen Vorschlägen durchkommt (Wehe ich erwische einen Rot-Grün-Wähler!
Bitte mach nicht den Fehler und frag bei der Polizei nach sowas!
1. Die erzählen Dir nur Scheiße, weil Sie wollen, daß weniger Leute mit Messern rumlaufen.
2. Die werden sich für deine Personalien interessieren. Rate mal wer dann in einer Notwehrsituation "Polizeibekannt" ist?!?
3. Die kennen die Gesetze meist selber nicht.
Ach noch was: wenn du Minderjährig bist, darfst du offiziell nur einseitig beschliffene Messer tragen
For you english speaking guys: I was just a little teaching in German law. Nothing you will ever have to deal with. If you come as tourist to Germany remeber: (western-world) foreigner usually get a tollerance-bonus by the cops. (I calim that without any prove)
Well, I could try... excuse my english
basically all knifes are allowed, if you are over 18 yrs. old.
exceptions:
1. automatic or gravity knives with a long, thin blade (width less than 14% of length, he thinks)
2. carrying a knife at public occasions (Demonstrations, Oktoberfest (that's idiomatic
)
3. if schilly (the german minister of state ( I think that's the aquivalent in US)) passes a law, balisongs are likely to make trouble in future.
don't make the mistake, and ask the police!
1. They will tell you s**t, because they want less people to carry knives
2. they will show interest in your person (guess who's "known" in case of self-defense)
3. they don't know the law.
minors must not carry double edged knives.
ok.... I hope you can understand this. for the exact "waffenrecht" look at messerforum.net (no, I will not translate the complete Waffenrecht)
some additions made by myself:
1. in Ger. every knife is considered a utility knife, if
-it is a folder, or
- the blade is similar in shape and size to a folder blade.
these may be carried by anyone.
2.
everything else (i.e. larger blades, double edged blades, swords, daggers,...) is considered a "hieb- und stichwaffe" and may be carried by anyone over 18 (except public occasions) (I got stopped with my SAK at the Rock im Park - open air, though)
3.
the next step would be "dangerous weapon" like large, thin automatics. theese may not be carried in public at all.
4.
in Ger. there is no difference between open and concealed carry.
In USA you could get busted for carrying a knife in your pocket, that would be perfectly legal to carry on the belt, is that right?
5.
another thing are "verbotene Gegenstände" like brass knuckles, batons,... theese are illegal as well.
alltogether, I think we Krauts are a little better off with our knife laws
)
again, excuse my bad english... its 11:30 pm and its been a long day.
Seb
basically all knifes are allowed, if you are over 18 yrs. old.
exceptions:
1. automatic or gravity knives with a long, thin blade (width less than 14% of length, he thinks)
2. carrying a knife at public occasions (Demonstrations, Oktoberfest (that's idiomatic
3. if schilly (the german minister of state ( I think that's the aquivalent in US)) passes a law, balisongs are likely to make trouble in future.
don't make the mistake, and ask the police!
1. They will tell you s**t, because they want less people to carry knives
2. they will show interest in your person (guess who's "known" in case of self-defense)
3. they don't know the law.
minors must not carry double edged knives.
ok.... I hope you can understand this. for the exact "waffenrecht" look at messerforum.net (no, I will not translate the complete Waffenrecht)
some additions made by myself:
1. in Ger. every knife is considered a utility knife, if
-it is a folder, or
- the blade is similar in shape and size to a folder blade.
these may be carried by anyone.
2.
everything else (i.e. larger blades, double edged blades, swords, daggers,...) is considered a "hieb- und stichwaffe" and may be carried by anyone over 18 (except public occasions) (I got stopped with my SAK at the Rock im Park - open air, though)
3.
the next step would be "dangerous weapon" like large, thin automatics. theese may not be carried in public at all.
4.
in Ger. there is no difference between open and concealed carry.
In USA you could get busted for carrying a knife in your pocket, that would be perfectly legal to carry on the belt, is that right?
5.
another thing are "verbotene Gegenstände" like brass knuckles, batons,... theese are illegal as well.
alltogether, I think we Krauts are a little better off with our knife laws
again, excuse my bad english... its 11:30 pm and its been a long day.
Seb
Thanks so much. I wish I lived in Germany! Heck, at least I don't live in Canada!
Yes, here in the States, you can be busted for carrying a knife in your pocket that would be 100% legal on your belt.
What do you mean by 'larger blades'?
And can minors carry autos?
P.S. Your English isn't bad. I mean, you know both English and German. That's better than me!
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Revelation 13:9-10, "If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
[This message has been edited by Whirlwind (edited 11-04-2000).]
Yes, here in the States, you can be busted for carrying a knife in your pocket that would be 100% legal on your belt.
What do you mean by 'larger blades'?
And can minors carry autos?
P.S. Your English isn't bad. I mean, you know both English and German. That's better than me!
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Revelation 13:9-10, "If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
[This message has been edited by Whirlwind (edited 11-04-2000).]
Whirlwind: Yes, infact, minor may carry autos. - In theory. If they do it practical, anyone will find a reason to forbit it to them. If they're under 7 years old, maybe they could they, that the kids were not allowed to buy stuff with out their parents ... but thats a civil-law-problem. When I was a kid, I had an auto and knew many others how had one, or two, or three, or ...
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If never killed a person with it, so in the opinion of the politicans I must be a living paradoxon
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If never killed a person with it, so in the opinion of the politicans I must be a living paradoxon
Jim March
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These rules are better than most US states, but not all. The really big gain is in autos.
In comparison to California, we too can conceal folders (so long as they're not auto or Balisongs). And there's no length limit, nor is there a "blade shape rule" of any sort.
Our advantage is that in taking advantage of the open-carry rule, we can pack some BIG fixed blades
. Swords will get funny looks of course, but in theory, no problem
. Except in some towns.
The HUGE advantage the US has is in guns. 31 states allow anyone willing to pass a background check and modest training (in most cases) gets a permit allowing loaded concealed carry in public. Several states are about to join those ranks...Michigan is close, New Jersey is actually possible and with any luck California where I am isn't out of the running.
Germany is currently revamping it's gun laws and no new *ownership* permits are being issued. When they are, membership at a gun club is required and you'd better not miss a monthly meeting or you can lose your guns. It's a whole 'nuther world.
I'll stick with the US, thanks.
Jim
In comparison to California, we too can conceal folders (so long as they're not auto or Balisongs). And there's no length limit, nor is there a "blade shape rule" of any sort.
Our advantage is that in taking advantage of the open-carry rule, we can pack some BIG fixed blades
The HUGE advantage the US has is in guns. 31 states allow anyone willing to pass a background check and modest training (in most cases) gets a permit allowing loaded concealed carry in public. Several states are about to join those ranks...Michigan is close, New Jersey is actually possible and with any luck California where I am isn't out of the running.
Germany is currently revamping it's gun laws and no new *ownership* permits are being issued. When they are, membership at a gun club is required and you'd better not miss a monthly meeting or you can lose your guns. It's a whole 'nuther world.
I'll stick with the US, thanks.
Jim
AFAIK "larger blades" isn't exactly defined. It is decided from case to case.
If you are over 18 a sword wouldn't cause any problems in Germany as well.
As far as guns are concerned, I am quite happy with the laws in Germany, but there are big differences in our point-of-views on this subject, so I wouldn't start a discussion about it.
Seb
[This message has been edited by Seb (edited 11-15-2000).]
If you are over 18 a sword wouldn't cause any problems in Germany as well.
As far as guns are concerned, I am quite happy with the laws in Germany, but there are big differences in our point-of-views on this subject, so I wouldn't start a discussion about it.
Seb
[This message has been edited by Seb (edited 11-15-2000).]