German knife-pinch-bar

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What do you think, what is more use of it except pinch-bar ? )))) 6.8mm such a short knife wth ???
Damn Boker amazes me sometime ))) , how can be used pinch-bar in a bushcraft ? Maybe ... why baton log with a knife horizontally when you can split it with a knife-pinch-bar vertically ? Why not lol. But a pinch-bar from a 440C ? With a 6.8mm wide spine ? You bet it gonna brake or... withstand ?

https://www.boker.de/en/fixed-blade...es-outdoor-knives/manaro-sm-10t-02bo451?_dbl=

Edit: Ok i got knife , at the first seconds you will see comparison of thickness between that knife and other 5mm knife. Btw Video is not great quality, otherwise i would have to upload it longer.

 
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Insipid Moniker said:
It was designed for a SWAT officer, so I doubt they had bushcraft in mind.
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Yea but i think one could split with it medium log putting it on log vertically ))) And btw why does officer of SWAT need 6.8mm spine ? What do they do , open tank doors ? )) And is it possible to break it if you fixate between vice with using only hands ? Yeah its 6.8mm but its only 440c
 
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Tamernator said:
Yea but i think one could split with it medium log putting it on log vertically ))) And btw why does officer of SWAT need 6.8mm spine ? What do they do , open tank doors ? )) And is it possible to break it if you fixate between vice with using only hands ? Yeah its 6.8mm but its only 440c
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440 is just fine.
I never worked SWAT but I imagine, SWAT could find a knife-shaped pry bar useful.
I wont be exchanging my old original Wilson Combat COP Tool for that Böker any time soon though.
 
It has discount now and cost only €59.95 , is it much or ok price for that knife with that steel ? Becuz its Original price €115.95 seems crazy expensive for this ordinary thing. My brother is military things lover, maybe should buy one for him, not sure if he gonna like, but he likes for sure tanto blades. The only problem it is little too thick. 4mm - 5mm would be ok
 
Maybe im stupid but i did order it now ))) I never had true stated 440c knife (except Chinese Ganzo but who knows what alloy they use in reality) . Maybe it's bad 440c knife to start with , but i also do not have any pry bar knife and also its tactical/tanto and my brother likes those stuff. Also wanna test how good can 440c keep against impact . If even 6.8mm thick gonna brake while batoning then 440c is really bad for impacts. And yes i know it's half price of EnZo trapper scandi with N690co steel. At least it's not a junk Magnum tree of their production.
Btw does anyone know who makes the best heat treatment on 440c steel ? I mean which company is known for the best 440c steel knives.
 
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Tamernator said:
Maybe im stupid but i did order it now ))) I never had true stated 440c knife (except Chinese Ganzo but who knows what alloy they use in reality) . Maybe it's bad 440c knife to start with , but i also do not have any pry bar knife and also its tactical and tanto and my brother likes those stuff. Also wanna test how good can 440c keep against impact . If even 6.8mm thick gonna brake while batoning then 440c is really bad for impacts. And yes i know it's half price of EnZo trapper scandi with N690co steel. At least it's not a junk Magnum tree of their production.
Btw does anyone know who makes the best heat treatment on 440c steel ? I mean which company is known for the best 440c steel knives.
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Jay Fisher custom knives claims he iz dee 440c masta.
 
What me wonders is, why those masters keep mastering and growing their skills on the old steels like 440c that are not that good anymore, when there are better steels out there. Is it some sort of art , or some sort of challenge.
 
Tamernator said:
What me wonders is, why those masters keep mastering and growing their skills on the old steels like 440c that are not that good anymore, when there are better steels out there. Is it some sort of art , or some sort of challenge.
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He explains why. Also he does use newer “better” steels, just happens that 440c has properties which make it among his and his customers favourite.

The short of his explanation (according to him, not saying any of it is or isn’t true): 440c is apparently a notoriously difficult steel to heat treat to its full potential, something Jay claims to have mastered. Also 440c is actually a surprisingly tough steel for stainless. Many of his customers are apparently military and para rescue types who value 440c for its corrosion resistance, toughness, and ease of sharpening. These dudes are often away from places where they can send a super steel knife off to be sharpened and don’t have high tech sharpening equipment in theatre with them.

Ontop of that according to Jay 440c is apparently difficult to mirror polish and Jay is very good at mirror polishing it. So that is like a point of pride for him.

W. Anderson W. Anderson I think that about sums it up right? Did I miss anything?
 
You say 440c is surprisingly tough while some people on this forum told me its not.... maybe in 440c case its very dependent on HT ? I mean if i understand right, with 440c is harder to achieve that balance but if you achieve then it can be tough without losing its other merits.
 
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Maybe im stupid but i did order it now ))) I never had true stated 440c knife (except Chinese Ganzo but who knows what alloy they use in reality) . Maybe it's bad 440c knife to start with , but i also do not have any pry bar knife and also its tactical/tanto and my brother likes those stuff. Also wanna test how good can 440c keep against impact . If even 6.8mm thick gonna brake while batoning then 440c is really bad for impacts. And yes i know it's half price of EnZo trapper scandi with N690co steel. At least it's not a junk Magnum tree of their production.
Btw does anyone know who makes the best heat treatment on 440c steel ? I mean which company is known for the best 440c steel knives.
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:) Well , you already ordered it , so no use to worry . You will now have the opportunity to try it for yourself . Maybe use it and take some pictures for us and give a review .

440C can be a good all-around stainless , although usually not especially tough . But with the very thick and short blade it should be fine for some moderate prying and wedging . Maybe forcing a stuck wood frame window or door . Probably not going to work on a MBT hatch . :rolleyes:

That blade will be too thick to be very good for slicing your tomatoes etc . ;)
 
DocJD said:
That blade will be too thick to be very good for slicing your tomatoes etc . ;)
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Oh i understand you and knew it before buying , for cutting i Always got with me folder or Mora , this one im planning to use as pry bar and instead of axe ( not chopping with it ofcourse, just batoning ) , wanna try to baton vertically with this knife ))) I mean first baton goryzontally to the wood a little bit, then put it on the log vertically , then use as a wedge and finish the job. Like i said for cutting delicate i have Always Mora or folder with me.
Even if i brake it , i wanna check once for Always what is 440c capable of )))

Btw what does mean MBT ?
 
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Its got a hollow grind so even though its thick at the spine the edge will be considerably thinner. Unlike many prybar knives I have seen that keep a thick edge grind this one may be more delicate at the edge due to the grind not because of the steel used. It also has a pretty good point on it for a tanto so Im thinking maybe the intent was more on the lines of a fighter than a prybar/bushcraft knife?

enjoy the knife it looks very cool . I think Boker has some solid offerings these days.
 
Tamernator said:
Oh i understand you and knew it before buying , for cutting i Always got with me folder or Mora , this one im planning to use as pry bar and instead of axe ( not chopping with it ofcourse, just batoning ) , wanna try to baton vertically with this knife ))) I mean first baton goryzontally to the wood a little bit, then put it on the log vertically , then use as a wedge and finish the job. Like i said for cutting delicate i have Always Mora or folder with me.
Even if i brake it , i wanna check once for Always what is 440c capable of )))

Btw what does mean MBT ?
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"Main Battle Tank "
 
Lapedog said:
He explains why. Also he does use newer “better” steels, just happens that 440c has properties which make it among his and his customers favourite.

The short of his explanation (according to him, not saying any of it is or isn’t true): 440c is apparently a notoriously difficult steel to heat treat to its full potential, something Jay claims to have mastered. Also 440c is actually a surprisingly tough steel for stainless. Many of his customers are apparently military and para rescue types who value 440c for its corrosion resistance, toughness, and ease of sharpening. These dudes are often away from places where they can send a super steel knife off to be sharpened and don’t have high tech sharpening equipment in theatre with them.

Ontop of that according to Jay 440c is apparently difficult to mirror polish and Jay is very good at mirror polishing it. So that is like a point of pride for him.

W. Anderson W. Anderson I think that about sums it up right? Did I miss anything?
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Absolutely. I have to say that in use and maintenance, 440C is my favorite stainless, though I generally prefer non-stainless steels. It holds an edge well against every day materials, is tough, and is easy to sharpen.
 
Tamernator said:
o_O
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:p I'm no expert on steel properties . The subject can be very technical and complex . And fairly meaningless unless the specific tempering process is also considered . Please feel free to research this topic . Lots of great information is available on this forum .

But , generally , my first choice for toughness for use in a practical sword or very long chopper would NOT be 440C . Others may disagree . ;)
 
Moving away from the 440c steel analysis and back to using such a knife for bushcraft, I’d say it is pretty far away from what I’d be looking for. In fact, in terms of geometry it is so far away that I’d need a telescope to see it, before shaking my head and saying, “You’re ‘avin’ a laugh, mate.”
 
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