Gesshin or Naniwa stones

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So, I wanted your opinion. I decided since owning a few pocket knives and kitchen knifes (that have been dull for years), I'd figure out how to sharpen them. I tend to go over board on many things at first and then the dust settles.

I tried the Wicked Edge and found that small knives with a three inch blade are very difficult to sharpen, in fact, I ended up sharpening the device, not the knife.

So, I moved on or take a step back, depends on how you look at it. My thoughts, start with the basics, see if I can figure it out. (but I won't go back to the WE, it's gone now)

So I started with a Gesshin 1200 and a Gesshin 5000. First attempt was just trying to figure out best practices. I started this time with an average kitchen knife, gave me a little more to work with, it was better this time around

Third time around, I picked up a 400 Naniwa stone, figured out that I was putting pressure in both directions, instead of one direction. Some people pull the knife off the stone in the other direction, some people keep the knife on the stone so that when lifting and putting the knife on the stone, you don't nick it. This third time around, I got both the kitchen knife and the small pocked knife pretty well sharped (the pocked knife was very beaten up, nicks and just dull. I honestly found it on the side of the street). I did find some improvement I need to do on the pocket but it cuts rather well now, not perfect but I didn't expect it, slices paper with ease. The kitchen knife has a shine to it now, a light mirror from the 5000.

Here's where my question comes in, I'd like to take that mirror to the next level. When you set the Gesshin next to the Naniwa, the Naniwa is cheaper than the Gesshin, the Gesshin is larger by length, width and height, not by much but noticeable. I should have taken pictures. The prints on the Gesshin are nice, you can see the quality. The place I purchased from were very helpful and seem very specialized but I can also say that about the Naniwa. Back to the mirror, I'd like to move to a higher grit. I like the convenience of splash and go as I don't have space to keep soaked stones in storage. Part of me wants to keep going Gesshin, I thought about 320 Gesshin to add or replace the 400 Naniwa, seems like creating the burr was still difficult (and that's probably just practice), I've ordered a jewelers glass so I can see where I am at with creating a burr. Adding the 320 might be over kill, it's a 75 dollar stone. The Naniwa 220 stone is 42 dollars if I wanted to add another coarse stone with that brand. The next thought was adding a 3000 to move from the 1200 to 5000, the Gesshin 3000 is 90 and Naniwa 3000 is 62. And the last step is Gesshin 8000 which runs 120 or Naniwa 12000 (there are 8000 and 10000 for little less than this) for 104. So, you see that the Gesshin is a little more of a premium, not sure I'll need this much variety, I have a lot of practice to do but I like options. So I can add a lot to the Naniwa for 208 or Gesshin for 285.

Just wanted your thoughts since most of you have been doing this for some time.

Thanks
 
To be honest, either will do.
Doesn't matter. All preference

Also you don't want an insane mirror polish if you want performance for a pocket knife, kitchen knife.
It reduces the "bite" to your edge and the cutting endurance.

The only item I polish super high is a my straight razor, so that it comfortably slides on my skin and pops the hairs off with a push cut. It also need to be stropped constantly.

Not telling you how to live your life just sharing my experience as someone with alot of waterstones.

If you decide to go for it. Just mix and match. They all don't have to be the same brand.

I personally like the Gessin stones best. They just feel great when Sharpening.
But they both work fine.
 
I appreciate the experience, I've been leaning on the Gesshin side. Moving between the 1200 and the 5000 isn't very much, so adding the 3000 doesn't sound necessary. The 8000 I think is a good stopping point for keeping the bite. It's a decent set at that point, 400, 1200, 5000 and 8000. I've only used the 400 on the pocket knife and kitchen knife as they had nicks and really needed extra work. Moving forward I'll probably use the 1200 to 8000 range for knife's that need upkeep. Thanks for your input.
 
Maybe I missed it, but which Naniwa line are you talking about? The price points suggests the newly labeled ‘traditional’ line.
 
Super Stones, I believe the 400 I have is the S-404. I ended up adding the Gesshin 8000 and the leather/suede double sided paddle strop with green honing compound. Everything is a learning phase for me right now.
 
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Very cool. I am looking to add another low grit stone to match up with a 800 & 2K combo and hadn’t ran across the Naniwa grits you mentioned. I thought I was missing something; thanks for the info. Those additions sound good and fun to learn with.
 
Don't do the superstones at low grits. They cut extremely slow. Spend the extra cash on the chosera/professional line. The only advantage to the super stone is brighter finish at a cost to cutting speed, loading and dish resistance.

You will be happier with the professional stones at low grit.
 
It did seem with the 400 took time to create a burr and sharpen a blade i was working on over the weekend. But, it was new and has a break in period plus im learning. The Naniwa professional (chosera) has good reviews from what I've read but you pay more, the Gesshin has a 320 splash n go also, little more than the professional. I would have liked to try that one.
 
It did seem with the 400 took time to create a burr and sharpen a blade i was working on over the weekend. But, it was new and has a break in period plus im learning. The Naniwa professional (chosera) has good reviews from what I've read but you pay more, the Gesshin has a 320 splash n go also, little more than the professional. I would have liked to try that one.
It's just a slow stone, its packed with ceramic abrasives yes, but it doesn't have the hardeness or the abrasive volume that the pros have.

I used a 400 super/Sharpening stone and I was amazed at the difference compared to the Chosera/professional line.

Way slower
 
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