Getting married, what to put on the registry?

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I am getting married in September and my fiancee and I went out to register for some things today and knives were my area to have fun. Basically, we had Henckels, Wustof, or Shun to choose from at the store. German or Japanese?

I don't know as much about kitchen knives as I do utility knives and folders but I do believe all three companies make good knives. But are there any outstanding differences between the three that can help me choose one? Perhaps maybe the Japanese VG steels would be better for the kitchen than the CrMoV steels or vise versa? We will be getting the "professional" grade knifes with which ever we go with.

Or, is there any kitchen cutlery companies I am overlooking? If there is, where can I get them on a gift registry? I would love to have a few of the BRKT kitchen knives but I have no idea how to get non knife people to buy them for us so I guess that is out.
 
Get and read "An Edge in the Kitchen". This forum turned me on to it. I've been brainwashed. Helps that a lot (but not all) of what he says matches the conclusions I'd already come to.

Of the three brands you mentioned, Shun will be harder with a thinner grind. I prefer this. On the other hand, we have several Wusthof knives, I've most recently used one happily today.
 
From your three options, I would suggest Shun. I have used all three before and their performance (once I have sharpened them) has let me to my suggestion.
 
So there's two votes for Shun. So what is the proper pronunciation? Is it Shoon, or Shun, just like it looks?
 
Avoid purchasing a set as most contain knives that may not be useful. Instead, select a few essential knives -- ala cart and add on as the need arises. A good starter set for Western cooking would likely include a chef’s knife, a paring (or petty), a bread knife, and a meat slicer. The paring (or petite) are for tasks when you need something less cumbersome, more precise than a larger chef’s knife. Bread knife and meat slicer are likely to be the most used “occasional” usage knives.

The Chef’s knife will likely be the main workhorse, so it’s really important to ferret out whichever one bests fits within your budget, cutting preferences, etc. Things to consider...

Length = go with the longest one that you and your workspace can handle (8” or 10" is most common).

Shape = (German, French, Santoku).
...German shape features a pronounced curve or “belly” that progresses from the middle of knife to the tip. It's designed for cutting stokes where part of the blade (often the tip) remains in contact with the cutting board -- “rock-chopping” (rocking against the belly), and “heel cuts” “cutting with the heel of the blade”.
...French shape is more triangular, most flat edge with pointy tip; designed for cutting strokes where the blade remains parallel with the cutting board -- “draw slicing” (pulling from heel to tip or sliding from tip to heel) and push cuts (pushing down & forward).
...Santoku is a short chef’s knife with a blunted tip; for applications where a larger, pointed tip knife would cause more harm than good.

Steels = sort of fall into the European (soft) or Japanese (hard) camp.
...Euro-steeled chef’s knives, traditionally have thick, heavy, soft (~52-56HRC) blades capable of handling heavy-duty chores (cutting around / through poultry / fish bones, splitting thick-skinned veggies), and withstanding misuse (dishwasher, sink drop) without breaking or chipping. The blade acts like a wedge & splits (as opposed to cut) foods apart; making it better at coarse cutting, but also heavy, thick and ponderous for fine cutting. They’re easily sharpened and dulled.
...Japanese steeled chef’s knives (aka gyuto) in contrast to its durable European counterparts are "performance-driven". Most commonly have a French shaped blade that are lighter, thinner, and hardened to (~58–65HRC). Thin, hard blades are optimized for precision cutting and slicing, can take more acute edges and stay sharper – longer. But are more difficult to sharpen, and more easily damaged from improper usage. They are not made for chopping / impacting hard items (shells, bones, frozen food) or prying.

Wusthof (Henckles and many euro brands) better models use a type of steel called X50CrMoV15 (or something similiar) with a German profile blade. Often the differences may be a different handle or slightly thicker / thinner, harder / softer blade, but the net effect is insignificant. If anything, Wusthof tend to be neutral balanced, where Henckles are handle heavy. Henckle also has some Japanese steeled models, but i've not handled them.

Shun offers free sharpening and is one of the few Japanese brands available at any W&S, SLT, etc. Unlike many Japanese knives that have a French shape blade, Shuns' chef knives have a modified German shape blade with a high tip & curved heel. It's shape makes rocking easier, but at the same time getting the tip down & long strokes are more cumbersome.

Global and Mac have a french shaped blade. The Global is very light, agile, and cuts very well, but the handle (being metal and uniquely shaped) may or may not work for you (try to handle them before deciding). Mac (pro) is very good knife; iirc is tempered between than the average euro and japanese steels.

I'm not sure if they can do a gift registry, but if you need more options, check out http://www.chefknivestogo.com/
 
Note that you and your fiancée may not be happy with the same large knife. For example, my wife essentially never used my old 10" chef or my Chinese cleaver and only occasionally uses my 8" chef. She's very happy with our 7" santoku and light Chinese "duck" cleaver. Larger knives that don't bother me feel unsafe or out of control to her (of course she's also only five feet tall).
 
I would suggest that you specify certain knives "An Edge in the Kitchen". mentioned before that you really only need 3 knives, a full block will have knives that you will seldom use. If you put specific knives on your list each guest can purchase one or two more $$ knives and you will most likely end up with a few better knives than one big block of OK knives.
 
Japanese knives are better for oriental styles of cooking, and western knives are better for western (obviously), so it depends on the types of foods that you anticipate preparing with your future spouse. The nice thing about Shun knives is that they are somewhat of a fusion of west and east, if you get the ken onion knives. Also don't go for a whole set you will waste money on knives that you won't use. Get yourself an 8 to 10 inch chef's, your wife a 7 inch santoku, a 3-4 inch paring, a slicer, cleaver, and a 5-6 inch utility, and a good set of shears and you will be set for all jobs other than butchering a live cow. global makes a really good flexible carving set as well.
 
I really like the a la carte approach, but it may be a bit hard to do on a wedding registry.

My suggestion is:

A heavier western style cleaver for poultry and frozen meats and any other times where bones are involved.
A 8 inch chef's knife for general use
A Santoku knife for fine slicing
A paring knife (this doubles as a "utility" knife for me)
Pair of shears
A serrated bread knife
Steak knives
A honing steel for quick touch ups
A good sharpening system to do the job properly.

We don't do roasts so we don't use a slicer but it may work for you.

Just a general question to the other folks that posted, does a separate utility knife help? I just never felt the need for one.
 
Not sure why people like smaller knives for "fine slicing." My kit would be from most important to least:

Big knife - 9.5"-11" chef knife/slicer
Heavy knife - thick boning knife, heavy cleaver, deba
Scalloped bread knife - MAC/Shun, if you do bread a lot
Small knife - Forschner $5 paring
Slicer - 10.5"-12" if you use a 9.5"-11" chef knife

The only really essential knife to me is the "big knife" and after that the heavy knife, those two can do pretty much anything. The rest of the knives are more for convenience or improved performance for a specific set of tasks.
 
Just a general question to the other folks that posted, does a separate utility knife help? I just never felt the need for one.

My wife likes them, I very seldom see a need. YMMV -- note that means you and your partner may vary...
 
Just a general question to the other folks that posted, does a separate utility knife help? I just never felt the need for one.

Either a pairing or petty knife is good enough. Personally, I find a petty useful. They’re short enough to function as paring knife by holding the blade, yet long enough for light board work, larger fruits (ie. grapefruits) and instead of a boning knife.

However, I think most ppl opt for a paring knife and needn’t be expensive. As paring knives normally aren’t used against a cutting board or for difficult items, the advantages of a high quality blade aren’t necessary. For about $10, the Forschner and Kuhn Rikon paring knives are excellent.
 
Dunno how to answer your question. What is a registry?

When I got married, we did it at the county clerk's office and sidestepped all the wedding BS:D
 
A bridal registry is a service provided by a website or retail stores to assist engaged couples in the communication of gift preferences to wedding guests. Selecting items from store stock, the couple lists desired items and files this list with the chosen merchant. The list is then made available to wedding guests, either by the couple's family or the merchant. Upon the purchase of a listed item, this gift registry is updated accordingly. In addition to providing valuable information for the buyer, the system helps prevent the receipt of duplicate or unwanted gifts, potentially saving time for both giver and recipient.

In practice a bridal registry means countless hours, wandering around aimlessly from store to store choosing things like a china, silver and crystal pattern from an infinite amount of patterns. Most of which looks the same and will rarely get used. Sometimes, the little mrs-to-be may have pity and allow the guy to choose items of more interest to him...such as tools, electronics, knives, etc. However, this is a classic example of an Exercise in Futility as such items will somehow, get accidently removed from said registry.:D:D:D
 
Ah... I see :D

When I see the words Application, Submit (Submission), or Registration... the hairs on the back of neck go up. Those are all terms used to establish jurisdiction over you. :eek:
 
Marriage is so wonderful, let's get the government in on it and make it official. :)
 
We've been using the Wustof "Classic" series for more than 20 years with no complaints.

Jeff
 
You cant go wrong with VG 10 what ever make , Russell, Shun. I'd have to try the Russell with Corian for about 30 % less retail than Shun
 
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