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Good morning folks, I am new to the forum and have a ton of questions but I'll keep it to just a few.
I can't seem to get my knives anywhere near the point of beautiful like most of you but I can't afford to keep buying metal to give away. At which point did you say to yourself, " I can sell this one just to get a stick of metal" or " I quit." Two extremes I understand but I'm closer to the second than the first. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
I find that simple carbon steel is about the cheapest part of the equation for me. I don’t really sell knives, but for me-I wouldn’t sell something I’m not proud of leaving the shop. I’ve given quite a few away, some for the purpose of people testing them. If you feel you’re providing something good enough to take money for it, okay. If not, I’d save and pay the $10 or $15 to someone like @alphaknifesupply and get a few pieces of knife steel to practice making some more. Good luck with whatever you decide and enjoy the journey.

Jeremy
 
Man, this is terrifying to read. I feel like I’m going to be able to make something very “good”, at least functional soon. I’ve been trashing stuff left and right grinding, but I’m going to try grinding post HT. I think the key will be not letting something leave that I’m not proud of, and I’m going to mark everything, because if I practice enough I’ll eventually get it, it’s been such an incredible hobby for the weekends. Good to escape reality,
 
Good morning folks, I am new to the forum and have a ton of questions but I'll keep it to just a few.
I can't seem to get my knives anywhere near the point of beautiful like most of you but I can't afford to keep buying metal to give away. At which point did you say to yourself, " I can sell this one just to get a stick of metal" or " I quit." Two extremes I understand but I'm closer to the second than the first. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Welcome to the forum, Tim. I would say if the knife you made is functional and safe, sell it to someone how will beat the snot out of it. If you can get feed back from that person after a month or three, even better.
You can get mild steel from Lowes or Home Depot pretty cheap and practice on that. I have used wood to do a test run on a grind I haven't done before. The plus side of wood is it doesn't eat up belts. I have heard people recommend paint stir sticks. You might even be able to use your wood practice pieces as letter openers.
If you post some pics of your work some of the more experienced makers will be able to give you some good pointers.
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Also, if you are having fun making knives,don't quit. Every hobby costs money.
 
Get the best grinder you can afford, change belts when they are dull. All hobbies cost money, but when my wife saw my bill for a steel order she grumbled, so I looked at her and said ‘I could dust off my golf clubs’. She said
‘you’ll be too busy grinding’
 
Welcome Tim.
All I know is you are 58 and a male. Filling out your profile will help us with more info .... like where you live.

Read the stickies. They have a lot of good info ( some links are broken, but there is still a lot of good stuff there.

Start slow, take your time, and learn each step before moving forward. Don't say, "That is good enough for a first knife" and leave sanding or other work undone.

Make every knife you do the best knife you can make with your skills at that time.

If you feel a particular knife is hopeless, set it aside on a shelf. In a few months/years you may come back to it and take care of the problem easily.
 
How do I put all the information on here? I'm in Central Arkansas (actually the geographical center of the state), have been trying to make suitable knives for about a year. I've made my own grinder but it needs to be beefed up and I never give up on a knife. They go somewhere no matter how ugly they are. I started to call a business Ugly But Useful.
 
Stacy's advice is sound. Read it twice and do it.

If you are thinking about possibly quitting already, this might not be the hobby for you. Ask yourself, "do I love doing this or am I doing it for some other reason like I thought it would be cool?". If you love doing it, do it. Don't quit because it is hard. It is always going to be hard. You will get better at some aspects in time but you will be challenged in other ways as you grow. Knife making rewards people who are tenacious and who can solve problems. Don't compare your work to others' in frustration. Look to other people's work as inspiration.

Take your time at every step to do your best as Stacy suggested. Learn to enjoy the process of getting the details right. That means making sure your cutting edge is centered, your grinds match in height and shape on each side of the blade, that your plunges are symmetrical when you look at it from the bottom, the center line of your blade is straight and your flat surfaces (ricasso, etc.) are parallel, that your flat ground bevels are flat and not rippled or wavy, that you have removed every trace of the previous grit when sanding before moving on to the next higher grit, that your heat treatment is excellent, that your blade to guard fit up is flawless, and on and on and on. It means taking pride in your work.

You will need some things that are costly but you can make knives with files and sandpaper if you are determined. You can practice your grinding on different materials as mentioned already. I haven't found Home Depot steel to be very cheap at all. But wood, plexiglass, scavenged steel is fine. The material isn't as important as what you are learning. The take away is good grinding technique, safety, patience, concentration, feel, how to make adjustments, etc.

The more you take your time and master the little things the better your results will be. The better your results the more fun you'll have. The more fun you have the more you'll want to stay with it. Before you know it you will be making knives worthy of marking with your name and selling them.

There is a lot of instructional material out there and there are many knife makers. Look for a knife maker within driving distance and contact them. Ask if they give classes or if they would be willing to show you some things. Most knife people are pretty cool people and willing to help.
 
I wonder how many new makers go through this thought process. I know I have.

At some point, we all learn enough to understand that we have a lot more to learn, and it is going to take a lot more work to get really good at it.

Now you either go all in, or quit. Just depends on how much it matters to you. Just remember it's not a race, and you don't fail until you stop trying to improve.
 
Where are you going wrong? What are the flaws your seeing and are you seeing the same issues over and over again? Are you gouging blades, burning them getting a wavy finish, bad plunge lines? If you can tell us what is happening maybe we can offer some advise. I'm new myself and have learned a ton from the people here. Maybe your starting off with something too difficult?

Are you using a jig? You can make a jig for next to nothing or use a rest and a push stick. Once you get a nice functional knife you'll have a new found enthusiasm I hope. I've never used one but hear great things about the bubble jig. Some other advise I heard here is that power tools don't buy you quality but time and efficiency. I've seen some beautiful works done by file and sand paper.

You say your trashing the knives? A knife has to be pretty far gone to warrant trashing. Even a broken blade can often be turned into a useful knife.

I prefer to free hand but occasionally I have a design like and Ulu that I'll use a jig on.

Throw up some pics of knifes you think are trash and maybe we can suggest some fixes.
 
One of these orange colored tools will save you a fortune in steel and a great deal of time and frustration in grinding. It makes you use your eyes to much better advantage than just watching the belt go round and round. You use them to keep the bevels aligned.
Enjoy learning this craft. It is very satisfying once you have developed your skills. Fred
 
Don’t make them to sell, do it for fun. Keep learning with each one then after a while, give a few away friends. You will think these are good but after a few more months of improving you will cringe that you let it leave your shop.
For about $100 you can buy six 4ft x 1.25” x.125” bars of 1084. If you make a typical 8” edc with a 3.5” blade and 4.5” handle you should be able to get about 36 knives. (More if you learn to do hidden tangs/wa handles). Hopefully by blade #30 you can sell it and recoup that $100 in steel. 31-36 will pay for the belts it took to get there. Blade #37 is where you want to be. Get there and ask yourself again if you want to quit.
 
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