Getting the Emerson monkey off my back!!

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GlockandBalls

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I have a slight problem. I am so accustomed to the Emerson "wave" feature that I even accidentally try to wave every knife in my pocket whether it has the feature or not. Its becoming a problem and I know the solution is to only carry non-wavable knives and eventually I'll re-train my brain. But I am curious if anyone else has had this issue? It's a catch 22 because I kinda like that it's such second nature for me to wave my knife for a quick deployment. It helps my efficiency with many edc and outdoors tasks, and god forbid I ever have to use the knife defensively, its good to know it will be deployed quickly (although I don't recommend using a knife defensively without proper training). Lastly, I don't want to only be limited to knives with the wave feature because I love buying all different styles. Anyway.. This is my issue. Anyone else?
 
jux t said:
I accepted that I loved the feature, so I bought a few Snaggletooth MF's. They are a thumbstud replacement that features a wave like attachment.
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Thanks man. I had no idea about these. I have 5-6 cold steels that it will work on and maybe the kabar Dozier 4062 with the removable stumb stud. Any others you know off hand. I imagine it's only good for knives with a removable thumb stud. Unless of course someone wants to break, cut, or drill them off.

And you do realize you are making it harder for me to get this damn monkey off my back!! :mad:
 
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Try out a ZT0850. It waves great if pulled at an angle. Or not if pulled straight out. Just has a lighter detent and large thumb studs.

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GlockandBalls said:
Thanks man. I had no idea about these. I have 5-6 cold steels that it will work on and maybe the kabar Dozier 4062 with the removable stumb stud. Any others you know off hand. I imagine it's only good for knives with a removable thumb stud. Unless of course someone wants to break, cut, or drill them off.
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I only have them on my Cold Steels. I've seen others use them on Benchmades (axis lock would wave nicely). Yes, the knife must have thumbstuds. The only knives I've tried them on that didn't work were the original CS Voyagers, the screw holes are too small.
 
jux t said:
I only have them on my Cold Steels. I've seen others use them on Benchmades (axis lock would wave nicely). Yes, the knife must have thumbstuds. The only knives I've tried them on that didn't work were the original CS Voyagers, the screw holes are too small.
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Just picked up 3 of the snaggletooths (is plural snaggleteeth?) haha.. Thanks again bro
 
I have this problem.

To keep my instinct intact I carry waved knives in my right pocket. I carry non-waved knives in my left pocket. I also Mexican-carry non-waved knives behind my waist band when wearing shorts, track pants, or a suit, etc.

This way when I draw I know if it's waving open or not.

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Just wanted to add:

If I have a waved knife that I don't want waving open I'll also carry it in my left pocket. It takes a little getting used to if you never carry left, but once you do its second nature.

It's just like wearing a watch on your other wrist. I got myself accustomed to both so I can swap wrists if the crown is digging in.

Or driving a manual transmission Jeep in Australia.. You'll get the hang of it.
 
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:eek: If there is a real critical need for "fumble free" speed , just embrace that monkey and consistently carry whatever waved knife works best for you . Otherwise , what does it matter if you must sometimes fumble around for awhile , getting your knife opened ? :confused:
 
GlockandBalls said:
I have a slight problem. I am so accustomed to the Emerson "wave" feature that I even accidentally try to wave every knife in my pocket whether it has the feature or not. Its becoming a problem and I know the solution is to only carry non-wavable knives and eventually I'll re-train my brain. But I am curious if anyone else has had this issue? It's a catch 22 because I kinda like that it's such second nature for me to wave my knife for a quick deployment. It helps my efficiency with many edc and outdoors tasks, and god forbid I ever have to use the knife defensively, its good to know it will be deployed quickly (although I don't recommend using a knife defensively without proper training). Lastly, I don't want to only be limited to knives with the wave feature because I love buying all different styles. Anyway.. This is my issue. Anyone else?
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Honestly I have practiced waving so much that even though I don’t always carry a waved knife it is still second nature. Even if I don’t carry a waved knife for a long time I never really lose waving as a second nature skill. If you are going to carry a folding knife defensively it has to have a wave to be a viable.

So when carrying a not waved knife there is really nothing wrong with going to wave the knife and it not opening. (Because it has no wave) The reason why is because you won’t be carrying a folder defensively if it doesn’t have a wave anyway.
 
Lapedog said:
If you are going to carry a folding knife defensively it has to have a wave to be a viable.

So when carrying a not waved knife there is really nothing wrong with going to wave the knife and it not opening. (Because it has no wave) The reason why is because you won’t be carrying a folder defensively if it doesn’t have a wave anyway.
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That's all just not true. Plenty of people carry non-waved knives and would/could use them defensively. To say a knife has to have a wave to be viable defensively is like saying all threats present themselves with no warning signs directly on top of you and you only have a moment to react. There was a thread recently on "frame lock flippers" where many people talked about viable NON-waved carry options in relation to self defense.

EKI makes non waved knives. Do you think they are not intended to be used defensively if the need arises?
 
GlockandBalls said:
I have a slight problem. I am so accustomed to the Emerson "wave" feature that I even accidentally try to wave every knife in my pocket whether it has the feature or not. Its becoming a problem and I know the solution is to only carry non-wavable knives and eventually I'll re-train my brain. But I am curious if anyone else has had this issue? It's a catch 22 because I kinda like that it's such second nature for me to wave my knife for a quick deployment.
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I don't have that problem. Even when carrying my Mini 15 or waved Matriarch 2 I don't wave them open for any daily cutting tasks.

Kinda like how I don't "quick draw" my pistol every time it leaves it's holster.

Practice to build muscle memory is fine, but your brain should tell you when waving is needed.
 
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Todd21969 said:
Just a quick question, So are you saying that no-one has ever successfully used a non-waved folder for defense? (Therefore proving one is viable?)
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No you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Obviously people have used even swiss army knives to defend themselves.

What I am saying is that if you are going to carry a folding knife for defensive purposes you should carry your waved knife. Ideally you should carry a fixed blade. It is a well known fact that a folding knife is a huge disadvantage in a defensive scenario compared to a fixed blade. That is why I say any folding knife is not ideal, it should have a wave bare minimum.

If you are carrying a knife without a wave atleast be honest with yourself and be aware that it is far from ideal.

And btw if you have early enough warning that a threat is approaching that you have time to thumb open your knife; (or flipper, or auto, or whatever) then really you would be much better served using that time to escape and evade the situation. No one should stick around for a knife fight even if they think they are the only one armed.

There are few exceptions like if you are imobile or have to stay to defend an imobile family member. Otherwise if I have enough lead time to know a knife fight is about to pop off, including one where I am the only one with a knife, I am not sticking around.

Most serious attacks happen without warning because these are the attacks where it is too late to avoid. In these scenarios drawing a waved knife is a gross motor skill. Every other folding knife opening method is a fine motor skill which makes it markedly harder to do when one guy is on your back and his friend has punched you three times in the head already.

So yes it is possible to use a non waved folding knife for self defense, but I encourage anyone who is being realistic about carrying a knife with self defense in mind to carry a fixed blade or at very least a waved knife.
 
Ok. So when you said this...

Lapedog said:
If you are going to carry a folding knife defensively it has to have a wave to be viable
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...You really meant this...

Lapedog said:
What I am saying is that if you are going to carry a folding knife for defensive purposes you should carry your waved knife.
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Thank you for clarifying. That is all I asked.

(BTW if the rest of your post was meant for my education it wasn't necessary. I've been legally carrying firearms and knives for SD since before you were born. The 1969 in my forum name is my birth year.)
 
Todd21969 said:
Ok. So when you said this...



...You really meant this...



Thank you for clarifying. That is all I asked.

(BTW if the rest of your post was meant for my education it wasn't necessary. I've been legally carrying firearms and knives for SD since before you were born. The 1969 in my forum name is my birth year.)
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All I’m saying is that a folding knife even with a wave is absolutely not the best knife you can carry for self defense; and that if you leave the house with a non waved folding knife you shouldn’t feel as though you have a self defense knife on you.
 
And I meant to say, when you said "Emerson monkey" I thought you meant being addicted to buying Emersons. If you find the support group/recovery program for that I may need that info soon...
 
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