Glad NOT to see an HI Khuk

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Odd title, eh?

Well, here's the reason why. The PD to which I belong has a display of edged weapons that they have taken off of people arrested (or shot
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) for attacking officers. Among them are the usual array of shanks and makeshift weapons, crappy little folders and outrageous fantasy blades. A couple of (cheapo) katanas were also present....along with one beautiful khukuri.

From a distance it looked EXACTLY like photos of an 18" AK. This disturbed me greatly, since the thought of someone dumb/insane/worthless/evil enough to use such an item for killing a cop is kinda repugnant.

Upon closer inspection, however, I was relieved to see, stamped proudly on the blade above the cho, 'INDIA.'

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Mike

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Ain't it odd how some folks are so intellectual challenged that they'll use a knife to attack a guy with a gun.
 
Didn't the FBI a few years back release a study saying that within a certain distance (10 yards or so) that is was indeed quite easy to get the drop on an opponent armed with a gun while using a knife? Maybe not "easy" but I seem to remember the knife fighter coming out on top a heck of a lot more.

Still, it is a good way to be forcefully removed from the gene pool. Mike is just the lifeguard
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I think the distance was 20 feet. We did a demo for some DEA agents in the Rio Grande Valley area. I was supposed to teach a martial arts and street tactics class to them, but they had been ordered to attend, and had really bad attitudes. When I saw the "Yeah, yeah, f... you!" attitude, I sat them down and asked what they thought about this type of class. I got the usual "This is stupid, I'd just shoot the guy" stuff. So we matched the agents with holstered weapons (unloaded) against a couple of my students with magic markers. I explained that it still was not accurate, since the agents knew an attack was coming. Results? We only had about 15 feet, if we wanted to have room to move, 50 attacks= 43 wins for the "knife" fighter, and a MUCH more attentive class!

A side note, with LEOs I usually use a real firearm, this is a daily life and death thing for them, for civilians, I like those motorized water pistols that look like colorfull Berretta 92s.
 
Actually the distance is 21 feet. This gives the standard officer time to get his gun out and fire. He has to side step also inorder to get out of the line of attack.
Too bad my department won't allow me top strap my 20" Sirupati or Barong on my duty belt. I prefer the blades over my baton. When you pull out your stick everyone says "you going to hit me? Come on!" When I pull out my blade, they all run!
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Last year two of my co-workers had to shoot a deranged guy who thought he was a Ninja sent to do a mission. They confronted him and ordered him to drop his sword. Of coarse the Ninja charged them. Distance was around 12 feet, but my co-workers had their guns out. An issue Glock 17 with 147 grain sub-sonics and a Sig P220 .45 Auto. They expended all their rounds (most were misses), but they got some luck shots in the right place. If the Ninja was properly trained, the out come would be different.
I for one prefer the edge weapon. Even when I was in the service, I always went for my blade first. I had to remind myself that everyone has guns, so I should use mine first, then as a back up my blade. I have used on many occasions my larger blades (Barong and Sirupatis) on targets in fun house type room clearings. My instructors usually freak out. They always say "why don't you shoot them!" I always tell them "look at the training dummy, and by the way where is his head?" They all look at me very odd after that. I love guns, but I love a good blade more!
 
IIRC, it's known as the Tueller drill. (Dennis Tueller?)
 
Somewhere long ago I posted a "Letter from Lebanon". Paul Copher and his UN cohorts could not quell an impending riot even with show of auto weapons. Paul pulled out his HI AK that he had carried for 10 years and the rioters all took off running.

Showing the blade sometimes works just as you pointed out, BA, and thanks for input.

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I am old and slow now, but when I was younger I always figured that if I had a knife I could get a gun if one was needed. And I could have. There's just something about a knife that scares most people.

Now I have a gun or two as well as the knives. I have been seriously considering getting a CCW permit. They are pretty easily obtained here. I think 16 hours of school and a gun is all that's required. I just havn't figured out where I would/could carry a gun concealed on my fatness.
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My daily carry is a Marble's Woodcraft and a SAK Champ.
I also carry a walking stick that's made from river cane that is a Flute as well.
It has a large round knob at one end and is incredibly strong for its size and weight. It is very fast as well due to its being so light.
I ain't afraid of getting hit with it as long as I can get the Woodcraft out.
I figure that being old and slow can be an advantage if you do it right.
I am never bothered by any leo's because I don't walk around looking for trouble, however I am always looking out for anyone I think may cause trouble.
Being aware is the 1st line of defense for me and avoiding situations even if it means a delay. I don't have to hurry anywhere anymore. Looking like an innocent old fart also helps in my opinion.
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I was told when I was a much younger man that you always had to watch out for the old guys, because they didn't like to be hurt because hurt hurts worse when your older.
That fact alone would/could get a person killed or badly maimed. Knowing me there wouldn't be any badly maiming if possible. In todays society if you don't get rid of the slime they will turn around and sue you.
Like Rusty with his 12" Sirupati that he won't strap on his belt. I pray each time I put my equipement on that I will never have to use it as a weapon.


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Rusty, you're right, it's known as the Tueller Drill.

I enjoy watching my fellow agents lose their cavalier attitude when they first realize just how fast a perp with a knife can close the distance on them. Changes their perspective right fast.

As stated above, it's a lot easier to "win" when you're already armed with the knowledge of an impending attack. If surprise is on the bad guy's side, watch out!

Blues

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I can say first hand that the knife can and often will beat the gun. Maybe not in the hands of a real gunman, but there aren't that many rogue gunman around, just punk wannabes. Sorry guys, but most of the LEO's that I've seen sure ain't gunmen! Seems like they barely know which end to point away from themselves. It wasn't like that years ago, but it seems like most of them never even held a shooter before they joined a force. They don't seem to like guns of any discription, nor do they want to shoot them any more than just being able to qualify. Their attitude toward knives is even lower. When they carry one it seems around here that the cheaper the better is more the rule than the exception.
Dan
 
Dan, I agree with you as far as the normal LEO is concerned. In every agency there is a group of Lawmen that take firearms training seriously. They practice as much as they can, go to schools and learn new techniques and so forth. We are getting rare in these times.
 
BA, it's that way here, too. Very few of the young men joining the sheriff's dept nowadays are interested in firearms or know anything about them. Because of that very thing, several years ago the dept had to change the way we qualify, both with handgun and shotgun. Back in the old days, we qualified with reloaded ammo that was less than "full powered" store-bought stuff as a way of saving the dept money. But, at the time, that was OK because virtually all deputies were "gun nuts" -- or at least country boys who had grown up handling weapons -- who practiced with their weapons on a regular basis; so qualifying was just a twice-a-year formality. But few years ago, it was decided that because so few young deputies were familiar with firearms that we should qualify with the same type ammo as we carry on duty. Well, I have tell ya, the next time we qualified, it was absolutely hilarious. When those first rounds were fired, the looks on the faces of the newcomers was a sight to behold. Some young'uns even dropped their weapons, scared to death of the muzzle blast and recoil. A few recruits just quit, convinced that they couldn't handle it. Luckily, no one got hurt. That was with our handguns, you can imagine the riot it was when qualifying with shotguns!

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Actually, Bill, the AK wasn't even drawn. As I remember the story, some children who were in the crowd saw the sheathed AK, and took off, followed by the rest of the crowd.

Bob
 
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