golden sabre .45 vs hardball?

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i bought a springfield 1911 .45 "loaded" model. springfield says it has tested and approved both of these rounds.

which one would be better for self defense? or should i alternate them in the magazine just to play it safe?

also, what should i use to lubricate the inside chamber?

thanks
 
Hi Bill-

Have you ever owned firearms before and been instructed on how to field strip, clean, lubricate, and reassemble them? It is critical you do this before you shoot this new sidearm if this hasn't been told to you already.

If this "inside chamber" you're mentioning is the barrel it can be lubricated with any number of the high-quality, gun-specific lubricants that you'll find in any decent gunstore. My preference has been for MilTech oil over the past few years.

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For defense use only JHPs they are much more effective.Make sure the ammo that you use is completely reliable in YOUR gun. Get training the best you can find !
 
In 45 acp I like the 230 gr Golden Sabres, the 230 gr Ranger T, and the 230 gr Gold Dot. The important thing is primarily finding which round is most accurate and reliable in your pistol. Out of a full size gun, most premium JHP rounds will perform about the same. Use the ball ammo for practice. Nice thing about the 45 is that it will cut a nearly half inch hole even if the hollow point doesn't expand. Good penetration, easy to control, and with the Ranger T it will expand to nearly the size of a quarter. I see no reason to alternate different loads in the magazine. As far as lubrication goes, be sure to only use the appropriate amount on the correct locations. On a 1911 I put a small amount of oil (I use FP10) on the slide rails, a drop on the barrell hood, a drop in the bushing, and a drop on the barrell link. Every once in a while I will detail strip the gun and add a small amount of tw25 grease to the inner workings of the hammer and sear. I do mean a small amount. You do not want oil in the chamber, as oil has a nasty habit of killing primers. After running an oily patch down the bore while cleaning you really want to follow up with a couple of dry patches. It will look dry, but trust me, there is enough left to protect from corrosion. Most of the time if it looks oily, there is too much oil (exceptions would be high friction areas such as slide rails, but even then it is easy to use too much). Too much oil attracts dust and debris which will form an abrasive slurry when the action is in motion. As far as quality products go, I really like FP10. Miltech is very good as a lubricant, but is protective qualities aren't as great (still not bad though). Breakfree is pretty good stuff. I also know people who swear by synthetic motor oil. To be honest, just stick with a recognized brand and you will be okay. WD40 and 3 in 1 are bad choices.

Good choice on the pistol by the way. Springfield gives pretty good quality for the dollar in my experience. You probably couldn't do much better with a box stock 1911 without significantly greater expenditure. I had one for a while that I traded for a Colt Commander. They got the better end of that deal. Avoid the temptation to swap parts on your gun and add do dads and thingamajigs at least until after spending plenty of time putting lead down range and training.
 
In the .45, even hardball is pretty effective. However, it does penetrate a lot, and through-and-through is pretty common. The various loads mentioned are more likely to give up their energy in the body.

Our department issues the Golden Sabre for our .40 Glocks.
 
Don't use hardball, its much more likely to go through the bad guy, through the wall behind him, and hit someone you didn't intend to. Thats still a possiblity with jhp's but not nearly as bad.

I've dealt with several new shooters who were interested in self defense. They always want a big gun, and I always tell them to start with a .22. They usually complain and ask if it will even kill somebody. My answer is yes, but you need to learn how to NOT kill somebody first!
The 4 rules apply in all situations. Its much more important to develop safe gun handling practices and accurate shooting techniques, than to worry about how powerful something is.
Now I'm not saying that you don't know what you're doing, or have unsafe habits. This is just the advice I give when someone asks me about shooting and self defense. I also am not saying that a .22 is the ideal self defense weapon, I just think that its a much better gun to learn with. Your .45 will serve you very well, and being a springfield, it ought to be there for your grandkids to shoot too :D
 
For .45 ACP, the good old Federal 240 grain JHP is a pretty hard act to beat...Either in the standard JHP or in the Hydra-Shock.
 
IIRC its 230gr ...........

though the hydra's are probably 'OK' for a .45ACP in other calibres were expansion is key i would stick with speer gold dot or w-w ranger, i have also heard the golden sabre is pretty good, the old hydrashok, good in its day, is, well, an old design now and is surpassed by the newer designs which exhibit more uniform and reliable expansion, again not that big a deal in a .45ACP but a BIG deal in 9MM/.357SIG/.40S&W/etc, and not a bad thing even in .45ACP.

IIRC federal is working on a replacement for the entire hydra line, and hydras will be phased out in the future.
 
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