Got a fancy Schrade-Walden box like this?

for those of you who don't know this is another product by, yes you've guessed it Taylor Cutlery LLC, I bought one of the trappers through SMKW about a year ago, It is made in the USA, not a bad knife, Possibly made by Camillus, the tang stamp seems to be spot on the original style, there are several styles available. Some people I'm sure, will think these are a genuine Walden Knife Company product. Maybe I might be naive in thinking that the original concept, was to in some way commemorate the Walden knife Company, Also along with the Yellow Schrade Walden knives that have had people getting all bent out of shape over just recently on E-bay.
Keep your eyes open!

Rusty 1
 
Again, the distinction needs to be made. Aren't these SMKW products made for them by Bear or Camillus with a name/tangstamp licensed from the owner, Taylor, not a Taylor comissioned and sold product? It still confuses the hell out of buyers, to be sure. Didn't Schrade do the same thing with the NYKC name and tangstamp? Isn't someone else making knives under other defunct company names? I'll certainly not defend the practice, as a collector it makes my day longer just trying to keep up with who is who in the zoo. Pity the guy who buys a Schrade Walden and finds out years from now that he was duped. That is why I spend my time clarifying the makers/sfo orders for knives like these.

Codger
 
hey guys, since we are talking about schrade walden what about the cigar box models ? Are these taylor made also?
Randy
 
Codger, yes you are right, it states on the box, Used under licence from Taylor Cutlery, LLC. I just got carried away tripping over my own feet, trying to help warn people, that what they first see, may not be the genuine article.

Rusty 1
 
Randy, The cigar box classics are real Schrades. They can be found on the old Schrade website: http://web.archive.org/web/20040206231832/schradeknives.com/products.htm

I don't think there are any taylor cigar box knives but I may be mistaken. Does anyone know the dates the cigar box schrades were produced? Apparently I should have looked further into the site before posting, it says the four knives were limited to 1000 each.

cykc
 
I asked the seller of the knife linked in the first post of this thread if he was sure this knife was a true Schrade Walden, made prior to the closing in 2004, and further if it was made prior to the change over from Schrade Walden to Schrade. I told him if this was not the case, then perhaps what he had was a Taylor Brand LLC license knife and as such was not rare or hard to find.

His answer was, and I paraphrase, "The box is printed Schrade Walden on the end and the side says Schrade Walden, stainless 440, nickel bolsters, etc, etc, and under that is printed "under Taylor cutlery LLC". No mention of his claim that they are discontinued and hard to find...hurry up and buy now while you can.

If stupidity or dishonesty hurt, he'd be on constant pain medication.

Paul
 
Good going, Paul!

Ebay would be a lot better place if all of us, buyers and sellers alike, jump all over people who mis-represent their items, knives or whatever. Don't be afraid to contact ebay directly with your problem.

Phil
 
Hey Phil; I noticed that most of the time any more when I ask a question or make a rant on ebay that the question or statement doesn't come up where all potential bidders can see what I asked and the seller's answer. Is there a way to make this more public, where it gets posted below the ad information?

Paul
 
Paul,

That's the seller's pejorative...oooops! :o ...of course I meant perogative, if he wants to honestly display questions and his answers to all. Some folks are afraid they won't sell as much if they have to tell the truth, I guess...:jerkit:

EDITED.

Bill
 
sheathmaker said:
I asked the seller of the knife linked in the first post of this thread if he was sure this knife was a true Schrade Walden, made prior to the closing in 2004, and further if it was made prior to the change over from Schrade Walden to Schrade. I told him if this was not the case, then perhaps what he had was a Taylor Brand LLC license knife and as such was not rare or hard to find.

His answer was, and I paraphrase, "The box is printed Schrade Walden on the end and the side says Schrade Walden, stainless 440, nickel bolsters, etc, etc, and under that is printed "under Taylor cutlery LLC". No mention of his claim that they are discontinued and hard to find...hurry up and buy now while you can.

If stupidity or dishonesty hurt, he'd be on constant pain medication.

Paul
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Paul,
Just before I started this thread,I queried him about it being recent production by someone other than Schrade at Elleenville.
His reply to that:
"Ron,
I'm not sure. The box says SCHRADE WALDEN USA. It also says THESE POCKET KNIVES ARE PROUDLY MADE BY SKILLED AMERICAN CUTLERS USING THE FINEST MATERIALS AVAILABLE. MADE IN THE USA. Nowhere on the box reads an address. I'm sorry, I hope this helps....Dean"
So I sent him back a link to SMKW's page showing his knife and told him that Camillus or Bear probably made it within the last year.He didn't reply to that.
I saw another yellow handled Trapper SMKW knockoff on eBay today,with the seller not being upfront about it's provenance.
There's less and less "honor" in the country today.It's all about "ME".
Ron
 
Sometimes all it takes is a couple friendly notes to an ebayer as in this case with the second item reloader showed us. I pointed out that the Schrade Walden being sold was not a 'vintage' knife. I guess my message to him and Ron's go through to the man. Here is the reply from the seller:

"Sir, I truley do not know how to respond...This was word for word the description of the item when I purchased these knives. I am sure you know a great deal more about them than I and I will not hessitate to change the description. Thank you for your insight, and may God bless you....Dean"

And if you check again, you can see that he has indeed changed his item description. Honest mistake made right easy enough.

Paul.. It is entirely up to the ebay seller whether or not to make an answer to a question public or not. There is a little box for the seller to check. I have had bidders ask me a question about an item and request I not make the answer public. As long as he is not correcting a mistake I made, I honor his request.

Phil
 
Hey.... I just realizzed something. Both items mentioned in this thread are being sold by guys named Dean. One in Paris Texas and one in Houston.
And both seem to invoke the Lord's name a lot.

What's going on here?

Phil
 
textoothpk said:
Sometimes all it takes is a couple friendly notes to an ebayer as in this case with the second item reloader showed us. I pointed out that the Schrade Walden being sold was not a 'vintage' knife. I guess my message to him and Ron's go through to the man. Here is the reply from the seller:

"Sir, I truley do not know how to respond...This was word for word the description of the item when I purchased these knives. I am sure you know a great deal more about them than I and I will not hessitate to change the description. Thank you for your insight, and may God bless you....Dean"

And if you check again, you can see that he has indeed changed his item description. Honest mistake made right easy enough.Paul.. It is entirely up to the ebay seller whether or not to make an answer to a question public or not. There is a little box for the seller to check. I have had bidders ask me a question about an item and request I not make the answer public. As long as he is not correcting a mistake I made, I honor his request.

Phil
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Phil,
Which auction are you referring to?
The auctions at both links in this thread appear to be unchanged.
Or are you referring to a thread a few days back?
Ron
 
Ron,
I think the first auction was revised regarding the use of the Schrade name.

Bill
 
OK... I was confused. Sorry about that. It was the first ebay auction listed by dean0944 that was changed after we contacted him.

It looks like our Dean has bought lots of knives on ebay and turns around and sells them, depending on the original item description to be gospel. Looking at his past purchases, he has also bought at least one of those yellow New production S-W trappers.

But again, as I am a 'glass half full' kinda person, see what a difference we can make?

It all has given me a headache. Good night all...

Phil
 
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