Got A Spyderco Grail Today (Long Post/Lots of Pics)

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So, I've always liked knives, but my first "real" knife was a Spyderco SS A.T.R Spyderedge that I bought in mid/late 2007 (and they were already pretty rare, thus the Spyderedge instead of Plainedge, if not all that expensive). For a long time, Spyderco was my main squeeze. The A.T.R will always hold a special place in my heart, but I never really liked or used it because of the Spyderedge, always wishing I had a Plainedge version, and I ended up selling it last year. Over the years, I had kept an eye out for a Ti Plainedge version, but to say they're rare is an understatement. I sort of moved on, the last two years seeing me sell most of my Spyderco's and investing pretty heavily in CRK's.

A few weeks ago, I picked up a Ti Salsa on the forum exchange (not a grail really, more of a Jesus'-shot-glass), and after receiving it, it re-kindled my love of the Integral-Compression Lock. So, with very little hope in my heart, I went-a-googling. To my extreme surprise, I stumbled across an ebay listing for a NIB Ti A.T.R. It was pricier than I really wanted to pay, and it was in Italy, but I figured, this would probably be the last one I ever see, so I pulled the trigger. I just got it today, and it's already been an adventure. If the claims of it being NIB are right, then ten years ago or so, somebody at Golden had a love affair with Red Loctite Threadlocker. It seems like their philosophy was, if a little bit of Threadlock is good, then all the Threadlock must be better.

I'm pretty sure, the A.T.R hasn't ever been used, but given it's age, I think it's been handled a fair bit by prospective buyers/owners. Figuring that it could use some cleaning and re-lubing, I went about disassembling it. Before I realized there was a problem, I had sheared off one of the phillips head screws that attach the pocket clip. Applying some heat, I was able to get the other two out, one mostly intact, the other stripped so I used some vice-grips. Hopefully I can find the right size replacements or maybe I can get Spyderco to send me some.

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Judicious use of a bic lighter and my vice-grips allowed me to get the stub of the sheared screw out. Then I engaged in battle with the two stand-offs, both of which had been packed with Red Threadlock.

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Seriously... why?

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Anyways, once victory was achieved, I was able to take down the whole knife and clean it up. The biggest surprise difference between this version and the SS version was the lack of a ball-detent. Instead, the lockbar seats in a ramp machined into the blade tang. I don't think this knife will ever be as glassy smooth as my SS A.T.R was. I also discovered some type of washer that I've never heard of before. I have no idea what they're made of or what lube to use, and since there appeared to still be some lube on them, I just left them as is and cleaned and re-lubed the blade tang path that contacts the lock bar.

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Here's some re-assembled post-battle shots.

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And some family photos with the Ti Salsa.

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Hm, those last two weren't as focused as I thought... sorry about that. Not that I'm a very good photographer anyways.
 
Gotta love the cobra hoods!
Yes, yes I do. Most comfortable thumb-ramp jimping there is, and it helps with deployment too! I guess the only downside is that it can be bulky in the pocket.

Whyyyyyy red loctite!?
Seriously... wtf. On a whim, I decided I'd take off the cobra hood to clean up some of the oxidation in the crevices. I guess the assembler decided to load up that screw with red threadlock too. Even with some heat applied (I was being conservative so that I didn't heat the blade too much) I ended up stripping the screw. First time I've ever stripped a torx screw (granted, it was a T6). I guess that hood is on to stay.
 
Blue/removeable Loctite is bad enough that I don't use it unless I have to, I can't imagine how bad the red stuff was to remove.

Good to see you got it apart. I would have been very disappointed in a "NIB" item slathered with permanent thread locker.
 
Man, I would give my left nut for a spyderedge ATR... I love that blade so much. And I wish there were more models offered with the cobra hood.

Congrats on getting one of your grails.. Don't baby her!
 
I just received a new Foundry and guess what? Red Loctite.
No issues getting it apart though.
 
Man, I would give my left nut for a spyderedge ATR... I love that blade so much. And I wish there were more models offered with the cobra hood.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having a Ti Frame Integral Compression Lock Para-Military 2 with a Cobra Hood.

Congrats on getting one of your grails.. Don't baby her!
I won't, it's not going to be a safe queen, that's why I wasn't as upset as I might have been about stripping our a few screws.

I just received a new Foundry and guess what? Red Loctite.
No issues getting it apart though.
If this is a symptom of being built in Golden, then I don't really understand. I mean, I get that Spyderco doesn't really advocate disassembling their knives, but red threadlocker is meant to be permanent, only removable with heat. And to load up the pocket clip screws with threadlocker is ridiculous. That's definitely one part of the knife that they are ok with you removing or moving. I don't recall any of my spydercos built in Taichung or China having red threadlocker, much less gobs of it.
 
Blue/removeable Loctite is bad enough that I don't use it unless I have to, I can't imagine how bad the red stuff was to remove.

Good to see you got it apart. I would have been very disappointed in a "NIB" item slathered with permanent thread locker.



I love blue loc-tite (and green for penetrating). Especially gels and the glue sticks style applicators. Use it on nearly everything from automotive/motorcycles and cycling, to my small parts like these folders...
 
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