Got my #5-first impressions

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My #5 (w/combo-edge from 1sks) came today. It was a day later than expected, and I was getting a little nuts already. Have to feel for you guys who wait weeks or months for your knives, especially since I may be joining your ranks soon.
From the moment it came out of the box, this knife felt like it was made just for me. I have medium-small hands and the grip is perfect. Very comfortable. The balance is excellent also. Perhaps due to its thickness, I expected it to be a bit unwieldy and a little heavy, but that is not the case. It feels, as they say, "alive" in my hand. Every time I pick it up, I want to cut something
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The #5 quickly found its way to the backyard. It may not match napalm for a defoliant, but it does cut clean and deep. No, this knife's not a chopper, but it does quite well for a 5" blade. It has also already been used to cut cardboard, rope, and-naturally-several sheets of paper. Not much of a test (poor things just a day old), and the edge is unaffected.
My only real gripes are the finish and the sheath. To be honest, I expected a little more for a knife at this price. The finish is not that important to me, since I bought this thing to use, not to look at, but still....I thought that the coating should at least make it through day one without getting all scratched up. After one day, it shows more wear than my Nimravus that's over a year old and used regularly. The finish was not applied evenly. It seems to be thinner at the tip, and progressively thicker back up the blade. Perhaps it was not cured properly either, but having worked quality control for a major powder coat manufacturer, I can say that it leaves something to be desired in abrasion resistance. The finish on the left side of the blade is getting torn up by my other gripe, the sheath. The knife is hard to sheathe as it binds and must be perfectly aligned to slide in. The blade has strips of Kydex on it every time I pull it out where the blade is cutting into the sheath. I showed the #5 to several of my coworkers who are hunters or outdoorsmen. They all loved the knife and hated the sheath. I noted that not a single one of them (out of about 7-8) managed to sheathe the knife on the first try.
The serrations by 1sks were very disappointing. They are, in a word-dull as crap (ok three words). I sometimes use a section between the serrations on my folders for a pencil sharpner. The serrations on this knife were too dull even for that. I'm going to try touching them up with a Spyderco Sharpmaker that I use on the serrations on my other knives.
I really love the knife itself, but the finish and sheath seem to have just been thrown in as an afterthought rather than part of the package. I hope this is not the same finish that is used on the custom knives, as I would like to get a Steel Heart II.
If anyone can tell me where I can get a Kydex sheath for the #5 like the one pictured on p. 63 of the Sept. 2000 issue of "Tactical Knives" it would be much appreciated.


 
Perhaps I was a bit hard on the sheath. It does offer excellent retention, and the clip is suitable for a wide variety of belt sizes, and can be used w/o a belt also.
I've been looking at sites with custom kydex sheaths and playing with this one. It takes a little getting used to, but withdrawing and resheathing the knife is not the problem that I first thought it to be. Now if it would just stop scratching the finish on my knife.....
 
Owen

I thought that the coating should at least make it through day one without getting all scratched up. After one day, it shows more wear than my Nimravus that's over a year old and used regularly.

I had a Benchmade coated blade and it lasted much longer than the coating on the #7 I had as well. I think Benchmade uses a Black-T coat. Most powder coats I have used (all of them actually) wear off fairly quickly with use either from chopping or rust flaking them off.


The serrations by 1sks were very disappointing. They are, in a word-dull as crap (ok three words).

No excuse for that, the sharpmaker should be able to put a decent finish on them though.

You can loosen the Kydex sheath by just applying heat. You might want to try this if the fit is far too tight.

-Cliff
 
Interesting to hear about the coating....I guess they are "users" and are going to be subject to quick wear on the coating. As far as serrations, I have not seen the serrations yet on the Basics...I'm curious also if having the blade serrated by someone other than Busse if that would void the warranty? Any comments on that from someone from Busse? You have a great knife tho Owen and one that will last you a life-time.... Keep us posted on more things as you use it.

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Mike Payne
 
Cliff,
Good point on the difference in finishes. I've never powder-coated a knife, but did coat some AR mags about three years ago which show no appreciable signs of wear except where they engage the release and from the mag well ('course I don't go around hacking on things with them, either!).
Thanks for the tip on the sheath-I'm used to leather. Also, a couple of minutes with the Sharpmaker did help the serrations alot, but I've still got some work to do on them.

Mike,
Not to beat the coating thing to death, but I agree, they are users. I would think that a "hard-use" knife would have a "hard-use" finish, though.
The serrations were done by onestopknifeshop. They are the only place I have found that offer this option. The person I ordered from (Mark) wouldn't give me a straight answer on the warranty, and finally told me to call Jerry Busse and ask him. I went ahead and ordered 'cause I'm not concerned with warranties (never having needed one-I'm a user, not abuser)-sounds like a bumper sticker for potheads, maybe I should market that phrase
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Off the topic, I visited your website last night. Maybe I'll make it to a show up there sometime, and visit some friends. Used to live in Germantown, and saw that Jerry McDonald lives there. I like the looks of his "Model #5", too. Nice knives. The internet is going to make me very poor!



[This message has been edited by Owen (edited 08-30-2000).]
 
RE: sheath
I have a sheath for my #7 that I got from ON/SCENE TACTICAL and it is a super sheath. Eric does very fine work at a very reasonable price ($33.00 shipped). His web page is http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel and his e-mail is ericn@mnsi.net. His sheaths fit kind of snug but I like that better then too loose like I have seen on some of the TOPS knives (they fall out).
Good luck....Busse's are the best!
Ron Cassel

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Ron,
Bremerton, Washington
 
Hey Owen...

Before you go taking anyones advice and start heating up the sheath with a heat gun,, you should first figure out what the problem is...

If you tell me a little bit about the sheath I may be able to tell you if it's one of mine...

When it comes to Kydex sheaths,, it is normal for a knife to sometimes cut small pieces of plastic off the sheath..
Remember you are dealing with pretty tight tolerences and a material that has very little flex,, or less flex then a leather sheath.

What you have told us here is Not uncommon for a synthetic sheath to do.

Instead of slideing the knife in and forcing it down into the sheath,, try dropping it in,,and as you are inserting it,,giving it a little bit of a wiggle as it goes in.

This will open the sheath up a little ,,allow the blade in,,and then close in behind the blade.

A knife going into a synthetic sheath Has to go in straight. The same way it came out.

As far as scratching goes.. With synthetic sheaths,, this is one of the problems we all face,, and there is not much short of a sloppy rattling sheath that will prevent it..

All synthetic sheaths will scratch a blade in time,, Regardless of how the sheath is made... And Regardless of what Anyone tells you..

If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a note Anytime...

ttyle Eric...


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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel
Custom,Quality, Concealex Sheaths.

Leading The Way In Synthetic Sheathing.
 
Thanks to everyone for their input. I see that I may have jumped the gun on my judgement of the sheath.
Normark, it does look very similar to those on your website, except for the clip, and the fact that it has tie down points all the way around. I may get one for horizontal carry-look to hear from me soon.
Cliff, thanks for that link. That does indeed look like a "hard-use" finish! I'm not overly concerned with mine at the moment, but it could be something to think about on down the road. Might be something for Jerry to look at, too. Nothing wrong with making a great product even better.
Mike, I don't know when I will be able to make it up there with my current work schedule, but if I can make a show it will be my pleasure.
 
You know, now that you mention it Eric, even my Mean Streets & Battle Mistress' do the same thing with the kydex sheath... although my set of Basics has the leather sheath at this time.

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Mike Payne
 
Hi Owen...

Just give it a chance for awhile..
If it's your first synthetic sheath,,it may have a slight learning curve for you..
I know it look me a little while to get use to it...

BTW,, If it's got lashing points all the way-round,, it's not one of mine..

All my sheaths are one sided pouch style...


Mike...

Yes,, this is pretty normal.. Not to worry though...

Drop me a note if you'd be interested in a set for your Basics..

ttyle Eric...

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel
Custom,Quality, Concealex Sheaths.

Leading The Way In Synthetic Sheathing.
 
Now see, this is another example of what good service Eric (NORMARK)is willing to give. He could have just starting blowing his own horn and trying to sell Owen a new sheath. Instead, his gave him some good advice. BTW, the sheath I got from Eric for my Basic#7 does not give me any of these problems discussed here. It fits snug the way I like it and carries well as a horizontal carry even with the 7" blade. The sheath just moves enough to find its position and does not make any hot spots in my chubbly spare tire around my waist.

Good job Eric.

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Ron,
Bremerton, Washington

[This message has been edited by muzzleup (edited 08-31-2000).]
 
I am considering a Basic 5 at the moment as a med camp knife. How do you all consider it would compair to a Bob Dozier Pro Guide knife in D2 tool steel? I have two KABAR blades in D2 and 2 Benchmade knives in M2. I love the edge holding of these knives. I am looking for my new knife to be tough tough tough and able to take a fantastic edge not to mention hold it! How well will Infi steel resist rust? What is the makeup of Infi steel?

Opinions from all are very welcome. Also as a UK subject what is the returns policy for us Brits?
 
Hi General...

As far as Busse #5 goes.. I don't think you can go wrong with it myself...

Everything I have put it through so far it has handled well.
A bit of work on the sticks and it was razor sharp...

ttyle Eric...

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On/Scene Tactical
Leading The Way In Quality Synthetic Sheathing
 
General..
You may find that the blade on the Busse #5 is a bit thick for a mid-size camp knife, food prep etc..
The Busse #7 or #9 are better suited for the blade thickness and excellent choppers..
The Dozier is an excellent all around medium sized camp knife..
You may even consider the Fallkniven S1..
Either way, get an On/Scene Tactical Concealex Sheath from Eric to accompany your choice.
Take Care..
Murray Haday
 
Thought I would add that the finish has not shown any additional wear after the first couple of days (I even rammed it through an old hollow-core door-no damage to finish, point, or edge). All of the scratches were on the left side of the blade, and none completely penetrated the finish-something in the sheath? I'm alot happier about it now.
After some use, the edge did lose it's ability to shave cleanly. I tried stropping the left side of the blade on a ceramic as recommended, and it worked ok, but I got even better results by using a leather strop. It only took a few seconds to make a very real difference. This assymetrical edge is something different for me.

Ron, thanks for the recommendation of Eric's sheaths. Nice to hear from someone who actually uses one before buying. I'm going to get one for the #5, and another for my Nimravus.

Eric, guess you saw that ^, and I'll be contacting you tomorrow or the next day. I especially like the idea of a horizontal carry for the Benchmade.

Mike, I see you updated your site and the Basics are showing now. Did you say you have Mean Streets and BMs? Wouldn't have a Steel Heart just sitting around hoping for a happy home would you? I think I can get there in about four and a half hours
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General, your criteria pretty much summed up my reasons for getting this knife. I agree w/Murray that the blade is thick for a knife of this size, and that it is not ideal for food prep. No big deal. I use my ever-present Benchmade AFCK for the little jobs.
 
Thanks all, you have made me think about my choice. I was going for the BD Pro Guide, but I may well get BOTH!!! :-)

I am not well off as a student but well...

I also have an AFCK for camp use, so the fact that the Basic 5 is thick is no problem for me! I would use my Moran Featherweight for food anyway!

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Mike,
Thanks for responding so promptly to my email. About the confusion over the names: "Larry L." is my father's name. I use his computer as I'm renting from him while saving to buy/build a house. Hard for us single guys to get ahead....wah
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