Got some new stuff yesterday

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I got home yesterday to find a package waiting for me — the D4W and fine sharpening rod that I had ordered from NGK.
The waved delica is one of the sweetest knives I own — I love the blade shape, the handle ergonomics are really excellent, and the size is perfect for my hand. It's light enough that I can wear it with anything but it's got a solid feel to it, unlike my caly jr. The wave is so f'ing sweet. Somebody should have told me not to use it while sitting down, though — I put a wicked slice in my couch. I realize that it's a matter of common sense, but when was the last time you saw a kid at christmas exercise common sense?
The sharpening rod is a lot sweeter than I thought it would be, and I expected it to be pretty sweet. I assumed that it was going to be much thinner, so it was a pleasent suprise when I pulled this sharpie-sized thing out of the box. I normally keep a pretty toothy edge on my knives with a course diamond rod sharpener (which cost me twice what I paid for this), but I wanted a slightly finer edge on my personal knives and my kitchen knives. A couple strokes with my new monster sharpener and my previously toothy knives could shave hairs, but maintained the microserrations that I like. I am deffinately going to buy the course one and maybe the super-fine one. My only concern with it is that the edges are too narrow to sharpen serrated blades well. Fortunately for me, I only have one serrated knife (an old GIN-1 native), and I almost never carry it. The serrations on my native certainly benefited from this rod, but I didn't feel like I was getting a really good return on my work because of the minimal area of contact. Do these ceramic rods use the same cleaning proceedure as other sharpening stones, or do I need to do something different with them?
Overall, this was some of the best money I ever spent. I still really want the E4W, but I can't imagine it's going to be as cool as my new delica.

- Chris
 
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SIRGALANT said:
wish i had the gear and experience to sharpen mine

I think you should make an effort to learn how to sharpen since you collect knives...
If not I think your BG-42 CF Millie might want a new home:D

I would get a sharpmaker first and then try to learn how to freehand well later..
 
A Spyderphile without a Sharpmaker is like a rifleman without a bore brush.
 
Hesparus said:
... and fine sharpening rod that I had ordered from NGK.

Chris, did you get the 701 or the 204?? Just curious. I use the original Sharpmaker and do well on the serrations but think (occasionally) that the rounded edges of the 701 would yield a more uniform result. Opinions anyone??

Either way, these "stones" are ceramic and require cleaning (like with Comet or similar) but are designed to use dry. I've also read you are supposed to rub the stones against each other prior to use to break them in. I guess Sal recommends this in the video but mine is WAY older than the video. I have a new set out there somewhere (lost in Cyberspace) so I may be able to verify this at some point.

Ken
 
Sir Galant, I've been sharpening freehand since before there was a sharpmaker. I will say this without embarrasment. In many cases the accuracy and pre thought out and measured system can put a more accurate and quicker edge on a knife than I can with my boxes of accumulated gear. When it comes to redoing the edge after damage or changing the degrees I can cut as fast and do a passable job.

Where the sharpmaker has an edge over me is when just a few light accurate strokes at the correct angle will bring the edge back easier and without having to reprofile the whole edge. If I had to do it over again I'd get the sharpmaker. (now that it exists of course) I still probably will get it someday, even though the equipment I already have costs 5 times as much. :'( Joe.
 
Kbuzbee -
It's the 204. I didn't know what the difference between the 204 and the 701 was, and the 701 is more expensive. Now that I've paid a little more attention to the description of the stones on NGK I can see what I'm missing. As I mentioned, though, I don't generally use serrated knives so I don't feel like my stones are lacking. If I change my mind in the future then I might get the 701 series.
Thanks for the tip about comet.

Sir Galant -
a great way to learn to sharpen blades is to mark the secondary bevel (the steeper grind that leads to the actual edge) with sharpie. When you work the edge with a stone, you can adjust your angle based on whether the sharpie comes off uniformly. Repeat with finer stones. This technique will teach you how to make flat strokes with a stone. There are lots of web pages that describe the mechanics of how sharpening works but they rarely tell you to make it work. The sharpmaker is undoubtedly a great device, but I think doing everything yourself gives you a better understanding of what's going on and allows you to tweak things to better suit your needs.

- Chris
 
Hesparus said:
It's the 204.

Did you get the set or just a replacement stone (since you say it was cheaper than the 701 I assume the latter?)? The beauty (and honestly the limitation) of the Sharpmaker is the way it helps you set a fixed known angle to the blade. Using the stone without the handle is essentially sharpening freehand. Not a bad thing, mind you, just something to be aware of.

Best of luck and enjoy your new sharpener.

Ken
 
It's just the replacement stone. I prefer freehand sharpening and I fancy myself pretty good at it. It's true that the sharpmaker makes it easier to maintain a certain angle, but I'm already pretty good at that — I use the angle the light reflects off of the secondary bevel to control the angle of my strokes. I may buy a sharpmaker at some point in the future, but it'll have to wait until I have more expendable income. It also gives me an excuse to play with my knives for longer.

- Chris

kbuzbee said:
Did you get the set or just a replacement stone (since you say it was cheaper than the 701 I assume the latter?)? The beauty (and honestly the limitation) of the Sharpmaker is the way it helps you set a fixed known angle to the blade. Using the stone without the handle is essentially sharpening freehand. Not a bad thing, mind you, just something to be aware of.

Best of luck and enjoy your new sharpener.

Ken
 
Gott'cha. Cool. I understand that completely.... It's funny, I bought my Sharpmaker way before there was a CD or anything so I just kinda figured out how to use it. I do more what you do than how it was designed to be used. I have different angles on different steels and, though I put the stones in the base, the blades are rarely vertical. I do find them easier to hold in there anyway.

Thanks!

Ken
 
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