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Greetings everyone. I stumbled across this forum over the weekend while I was searching for a Khukuri. I e-mailed Bill with a question, and he was quite helpful, but I have some more questions to ask and thought I'd simply post here rather than bother the poor man(I'm sure you get enough email as it is).
I am an avid martial artist(since I was 9) currently studying Bando. Recently I began training with Khukuri and I now need to find a blade suitable for practice. Bill recommended the 18'' WWII model, what I need to know is this: can I get this knife and an unsharpened configuration, or is it possible to make it so without causing any kind of permanent damage? For safety reasons we do not train with sharpened blades until higher ranks. If I can get this knife in a with a dulled edge can it latter be honed sharp?
Also if anyone out there practices Bando and wants to give me advice or tips I would be very appreciative.
Thank You.
 
Generally, Bando people don't post here or anywhere else on the net per Dr. Gyi.

We don't offer dull blades but you can dull one yourself for practice and when you are ready sharpen it back up again.

Most of my Bando pals own several HI khukuris but they seem to gravitate toward the WWII for drills.

And, last but not least, welcome to the Hi forum and Uncle Bill's Cantina. We are happy to have you!



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I thought they were all dull. O.K. chopping sharp. A file would take the edge off quickly. To put it back on will take considerably longer but possible. You might be happier with a 16.5" WWII as a weapon. The 18" may be too heavy.

Will

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Welcome to Uncle Bill's Cantina, Bando_Blades!

Do you use the blade in "kumite" practice, or do you use it in "kata" only? Namely, is the blade to hit other guy's flesh? If so, I'm afraig a decent (heavey) khukuri can be as fatal with or without sharp edge on it.

For simulation sake, you can buy a khukuri and an iron barstock to make it same weight and balance point. I'm reluctant to the thoutht removing a very good edge from a great khukuri made to cut/chop. Sounds like removing the engine from a racing car for safe practice. From your post, you are now in much higher level than that!

I know very few about Bando, but every good MA has a safe way to deal with a weapon for students IMHO.

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Welcome to the group! Personally I like to keep a razor edge on my work out Khukuris. This keeps me in check when I practice. If I get cut by accident, then it was my fault. I guess if I wanted a dulled blade, then I would make a practice blade out of steel, just like Wrongfriend suggested. Welcome once again!
 
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Hmmmmm.
Uncle Bill's post about the taped edge just rang a bell with me.

Years ago when I worked for a place called Fo-Mac where we made all kinds of plastic and rubber parts from roller skate wheels to oil field pump packings.......And _ice_ _skate_ _guards_!!

These came in several lengths and if my poor feeble mind is working right
I think the longest was 18" (inches) for some reason.
There were holes drilled through the sides and I believe springs were hooked onto some pins that went through the rubber to hold them onto the skate runners.
The end of the device was curved upwards to protect the front of the runner. They were used so that you didn't have to remove your skates to walk on something besides ice.

The thing is that these would be absolutely perfect for protecting a khukuri edge!! And protecting yourself or others from getting injured from the edge or point.

It has been a dayumed Long Time Ago since I thought about these, but I think they might be worth looking into.
They may be perfect and even if a bit of modification is needed to make them fit correctly I believe they would certainly do the job.
Another nice thing is that you would get 2 of them since ice skates come in pairs.
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Now to find out if any of the people who live where ice skateing is done in the winter can find these things and check them out for the rest of us.
And perhaps it's just a lame idea, but at least I had one today.
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So who can check to see if the things are still available and if they might be used as is, or modified to fit a khukuri?


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[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 09-26-2000).]
 
I think I'd pass on the idea of using a real blade (even dulled) for contact sparing. It will be up to Murphy to determine when a taped or other wise padded blade will cut through and cause a tragedy. Even a dulled blade can cause broken bones / blunt trauma. The resulting mess will see you troubled by the authorities and plaintiff attornies. I would think the training house you visit will most assuradly want to avoid such.
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Great idea Yvsa.

Such a device would also be useful for packing a khukuri without the additional bulk and weight of a sheath. Do you think it would provide protection for the tip? If not, I think the end of the device could be closed off with epoxy.

-Added in edit- http://www.icesk8.com/access8.htm

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I don't know much at all about Bando (although I'd like to learn), but I'd think that if you were practicing with another person you'd do as well with a heavy wood practice weapon to start. The Filipino martial arts frequently use straight batons of rattan to simulate combat with curved blades. They hurt but you bleed alot less, and they'll still hurt less than getting whacked with a dull steel bar. If you were practicing forms/katas by yourself and wanted something heavy to practice with any of the ideas mentioned here sound fine. A rebated blade is a good idea even when practicing by yourself - I heard a story a few years ago about a martial artist in China (some national team member I think) who hamstrung himself while practicing with a sharp kwan dao. (Chinese halberd.) Anyone can make mistakes.
 
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Howard, thanks for the link!!!!

The ones I am talking about are the "Avant-Guards" they sell.
It doesnt say how long theirs are, but an e-mail would probably get you that info.
The ones we made had a lip at the top of the curve to prevent the guard from slipping off towards the back. Ours were also made from a fairly hard flexible rubber.
I think the point may fit into that lip, if these have it, and then the khuk could be secured by the springs.
And, yes, it would do away with a bulky scabbard if that was a problem.

I think maybe most large cities have an ice skateing rink, Tulsa does, and a person might be able to check the guards out there to see if they would work without having to buy them.

Like I said, "It may be a lame idea, but at least I had one today."
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I just ordered a couple of the avant guards. They should arrive sometime this weekend. When I get them I'll post to let you guys know how they work for storage and transport.
I'll be danged if I'll let someone whack me with a khukuri to test if they work for martial arts.
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Bob Burgeee @ EDGES2 makes incredible training blades from aluminum. He does custom work and could make a training khukuri to approximate the dimensions of your real blade. Check out his web site at:

http://trainingblades.com/

The aluminum can not be sharpened and a little lighter but tough so it will last a long time. Bob is also a super nice guy.

Tell him I said hello.

HTH.

Dave Fulton



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I recall Paul Copher telling me that when he was a tech advisor on a film using khukuris it got so dangerous he stopped filming and had a mold made from the AKs that were being used and made rubber khukuris for the action shots.

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[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 09-29-2000).]
 
Bill Lewitt at taoboxer@altavista.com made me a foam rubber trainer of a 12 inch sirupati. It obviously doesn't have the weight, but it is still useful for working on the right angulation etc for solo moves, and is perfectly safe for sparring - as my students are finding! I like it so much I am about to ask him to reproduce my 15 inch sirupati too.
He tells me that he also makes trainers now from various hardwoods and aluminium.

Try Bill - you'll find him helpful, and a gentleman.

All the best,

Alan
 
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