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Man, I need to vent. Hurt my back at work last week. Pain is unreal. So for the last 14 days I've just been laying here on the couch, eating pain pills. Finally Workman's comp sent me to get a MRI. Seems I have screwed a couple disk up in my back . Now I'm waiting for WC (Workman's Comp) to schedule a visit to a neuro surgeon. This just sucks! I am going stir crazy. WC seems to be in no hurry to get me fixed. I just want to go back to work. Have any of you guy's been threw anything like this? How long does it take to get back in the shop?
 
Been through it myself a time or two, though no surgery here yet, and I've rehab'd a whole bunch of others both with and without surgery. Are they willing to get you any PT? Sometimes there's not much that will help short of surgery, but often times conservative treatments can get you back on your feet without having to go under the knife. At the very least, you could get a TENS unit to try and reduce the amount of pain pills you're popping. Certain pain meds can stop you up like a cork. Intestinal blockages are no fun.

If they do surgery, you can expect to be down a few weeks to a few months depending on what type of surgery they do. Some minimally invasive techniques can get you up and going faster, but the standard discectomy/fusion routine can set you down a month or two. With conservative treatments, it also varies a great deal from patient to patient. Several weeks migh help get your back square again and decrease the pain, but then you'll need a month or two of proper strengthening (in the clinic at first and then on your own) to get your core up to stabilizing your spine effectively.

I hope you get to feeling better soon. Like I said, if you get a chance to go see a good orthopedic physical therapist, it very well might be worth your while, and they can teach you some things to help protect your back in the future or help prepare you for surgery if you do end up under the knife.

--nathan
 
Thanks for the info Nathan. I'm kinda locked into what WC decides. I cut way back on those pain pills. I can stand the pain better than that fuzzy headed feeling. I really hate takeing pills. Not all that trusting of Dr.'s
 
My back went out, 5 discs compressed, and my leg got pains shooting down it if I put weight on it. Doctor sent me to physical therapy and 3 weeks later I am much better. Hardly any back pain at all, leg is good enough I can sleep more than 2 hours at a time -- but it still hurts to walk. I figure in a couple more weeks I will be recovered. It will still take doing the exercises myself, and it can come back any time.

Get into therapy. Surgery is a "quick fix" that isn't always quick and doesn't always work.
 
Im feeling your pain. I went through the same type of thing. Lost my job (Royal Australian Navy Turbine Mechanic for 10 years) over it too. I can recommend everything everyone else has said. If you can keep away from surgery and pain meds. I spent some lots of time on shitty pain killers. Phisio worked for me. After 18 months of bouncing from docter to docter I ended up at at physio who helped me get fit again. I still have a few issues but have learn to live with them. For me moving was the best thing. I went nearly 14 months with out getting any more than 1-2 hours sleep at a time.

If you can start working on your core muscles. And talk to friends and family. This is extremely important!

Matt
 
I had the surgery , worked great . Up and walking in 2 days with no pain . This was after a 1-1/2 year battle with W.C. I would work for a month or 2 and then down again on the meds. for 2 weeks at a time . They had me do all the therapy stuff and such . Pain shooting down the left leg also . Walked with a limp for that year .

What helped before surgery , the back brace with the metal stays they had me fitted for . Also a back swing helped . You know , where you hang upside down , it helps to relieve the pressure .
 
I just had a discectomy done in the begining of April and was walking the same day. Left the Hospital the next morning. I was only really uncofortable for 2-3 days. Took the pain meds once as I do like them and only took them to sleep prior to operation.

Be careful not to push yourself after the operation as I feel I did and 6 weeks later still not a whole lot better. Physical Thearapy seems to be helping.
The electro stimulation works best for me, but there are 2 types of machines one that is geared for the nerves which I believe is the TENS unit and another I have not gotten the name of yit but is geared more to the muscles At least that is what i am being told.

Bear with it you can get through it after a while your body will ajust to the pain and you will be able to tolerate it a little better.

Hope it all works out
 
Got two bad disks. Few times was taken to ER. They recommend the surgery. I refuse and try to keep myself in shape. It hearts when I bend and if the disk comes out that hurts like a bomb in every nerve. So far I just try to live with it. It is very inconvenient.
 
Sorry to hear Andy. I have been going through this for the last 17 years. Was really bad in 94 and finally did the surgery in 96. Was in constant pain for 3 years. Well they did a micro discectomy and it did not take. I am still in constant pain but it is livable. Tried all the PC's up to and including methadone and morphine. None of them gave me much relief and the side effects really sucked. I would rather deal with the pain I have than go through surgery again. There have been some really great advancements since I did my surg though. If you are unable to function then Surgery may be the only option. My gauge for another surgery is if I can walk. Since I have my Navy retirement and VA Disability I don't have to work every day. If I did I might just do it again to see if they can get it right this time. Take it easy and see if they will offer you physical therapy. If they do, try it and hopefully it will work. The TENS Unit is ok but the NMES is much better. The TENS unit can be had for about $40, but the last time I looked at the NMES they were over $400. For me just watching what I do and trying not to pick up the anvil too often keeps things in check.

Take care
Chuck
 
Whow, seems like everyone has different results. I'm trying to take it as easy as possible. I'm hopeing that it can be fixed with PT. I have found that not acting so "MAN" as my wife calls it. And really watching how much I do when the pain is low, helps the need for the pills. It seems most of the really bad pain is in my right hip. Like someone stabbed me in the butt with a screwdriver. And down my right leg.
This is a time that I am most thankfull for my wife. Who kept me from going in dept. She has managed to keep our budget at a very low level and my debt very low. Workmans Comp said they will be paying me 2/3 of my normal salery. I can pay my bills and eat at that rate. That releives alot of stress. So at least all I have to worry about is getting better. I would hate to have to factor in added stress of not being able to pay the bills.
 
Yeah, I think that your first sentence sums it up, Andy. There are a wide variety of results. Regarding their surgeries, I've had patients tell me, "I wish I did this years ago", and I've had others tell me, "why did I ever do this". I'm biased, but I am always an advocate of trying PT first. Why get a surgery if you don't have to. However, sometimes surgery is the route to take.

An interesting bit of research shows that if you took MRI's of a normal population sample, a good many of those people will show significant discal problems (hernations, bulges, etc). However, only a small percentage of those people showing problems on MRI will have any reports of problems from them. So in other words, some people have spines that look all jacked up on imaging, but they have no back pain. Others may have less jacked up spines, but have debilitating pain. So just take imaging with a grain of salt and focus on your symtpoms. An MRI is not the be-all-end-all when it comes to determining if surgery is needed.

Slightly off topic:

I just finished teaching a modalities course to our DPT students this semester, so I'll give those of you who are vaguely familiar with electrical treatments some more info.

///WARNING: SEVERLY NERDY CONTENT TO FOLLOW///

Most people are somewhat familiar with high rate TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) for pain. It's a handy, cheap, little pocket device that delivers sensory level stim to an area where you're hurting. It works by stimulating non-painful sensory nerves which in turn blocks the transmission of painful signals to the brain. Kind of like rubbing your elbow to make it feel better after you smash it on something. It really only works while you have it on, unless you're able to get a break in the muscle spasms. The good news is you can use it as much as you like.

Another option is low rate TENS. It uses a longer pulse duration and lower frequency to target motor nerves and some pain-carrying nerves, creating a rhythmic, low frequency contraction. It blocks pain through a different method: endogenous opioids. Basically, it promotes the release of endorphins and enkephalins in your body which bind with opioid receptors and can result in pain relief lasting 4-5 hours after you stop the stim. You only want to use it for 45 minutes max at a time with a break of several hours between sessions because it can lead to delayed onset muscle sorness from the muscle contraction.

Depending on the machine you have, you may be able to adjust it to acheive either one of these two effects (high or low rate TENS). For high rate TENS, you want a frequency of around 100-150 pulses per second and a pulse duration of 50-80 microseconds. Set the amplitude to a comfortable sensory level. This targets the A-beta sensory nerves I mentioned earlier to acheive "pain gating".

For low rate TENS, you want a frequency of only 2-10 pulses per second with longer pulse duration of 200-300 microseconds. Amplitude is adjusted upward until you get a visible muscle contraction. This targets motor nerves and also acheives some stim to the A-delta pain fibers which is what helps release the opioids we're seeking.

There are other options out there such as interferrential which uses crossed AC current and wave summation principles. It allows for less discomfort at the electrodes with higher amplitudes in the treatment area due to the interpherence of the two channels. However, these machines are a great deal more pricey. Many clinicians use interferential current (IFC) during treatment sessions and TENS units for home pain control.

NMES (neuromuscular electrical stimulation) is just another variation of E-stim parameters. It uses similar pulse duration to low rate TENS to acheive muscle action, but you use a higher frequency (above 35 pps) to acheive a sustained muscle contraction by stimulating the motor nerve of a particular muscle. It's uses in pain relief are pretty limited unless you just want to fatigue a muscle to reduce spasm. Russian stim is another type of muscle stim you may have heard of, but it is entirely different in parameters from NMES.

So basically, low rate TENS, high rate TENS, and NMES are all the same type of stim (pulsed, bi-phasic current) with different pulse durations, frequencies, and amplitudes. IFC, on the other hand is a different type of stim all together (interphering AC current). Where you place the electrodes depends on the goal and the type of stim being used.

We can talk about burst TENS, which tries to combine the effects of high and low rate TENS, but then we're just being nerdy. :D

//end nerdy content ;)//

--nathan
 
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I will add this . If you do not pay attention and stay still and down and try and play MAN as your wife calls it , you will end up like I did at the end of all this . I could not stand up , I could not walk at all . 4 weeks , 24/7 on my back on the couch . The only way I could move was to crawl on all 4's . I am not exaggerating . I crawled across a parking lot to get to the doctors office , crawled in and rolled over on my back and cried because the pain was so intense . Had surgery a week later .
 
Andy, sorry to derail your topic up there. How are you hanging in there? Keep us updated. I'll be praying for your speedy recovery.

--nathan
 
Get yourself some different colored modeling clay, and layer up a couple of "billets" and mess around with damascus patterns. Sketch.
 
As somebody who has not - thank God - had any major back problems to date, I'd like to know what preventative steps I should/could be taking to avoid this in the future. For reference, I'm a 5'10", 220lb 36yo with minimal (office) activity level except for a Sheiko power-lifting routine that gets me in the gym three times a week.
 
I've herniated 3 discs in the past, all from sports injuries. after #3 they wanted to fuse my lumbar spine (3 herniations at different levels) but I refused and kept going to my chiropractor. He kept me out of surgery and relatively pain free. Today I have next to 0 residual effects and am about halfway through chiropractic school myself so I deal with herniations/discogenic pain day in/day out. I feel your pain, brother... As much as I hate hearing about guys going in for surgery I have to admit that sometimes it's the best option. As Jack mentioned sometimes it can be an absolute miracle; other times it can compound or exacerbate the problems and leave you with debilitating symptoms for the rest of your life (there are members on here that can attest to that). In conjunction with PT and neurosurgeons please don't overlook the possibility of chiropractic. Of course I'm biased but I really think a lot of people underestimate what a good DC (Doctor of Chiropractic) can do. I wish you were closer or somewhere I could refer you to a specific DC; unfortunately you are in an area surrounded by DCs from Sherman who believe that a chiropractic adjustment will cure your cancer, bad eyesight and broken bones... I don't want to get into a pissing match with any other options for you but if you'd like to PM or email me I would be more than happy to offer any chiropractic advice that I can.

Most importantly, keep up the good attitude.

Good luck, brother!
 
Erin, while some of the problems people experience are going to be tied to genetically injury-prone spines, there are a number of things you can do to keep your back safe. I'll PM you some information, and if people are interested, I'll post it up here as well.

--nathan
 
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Amcardon, I agree 100%. There are some great chiros out there, and you guys know your stuff dealing with the spine. I've met a few of the loonies who think your penumonia came from L3, but I know that those guys don't represent the profession as a whole. :)

Good luck as you finish out your professional training!

--nathan
 
Well Guys I finally get to go to an Ortho specialist. AT this point I have trouble getting off the couch. This is 3 weeks going on 4. Got to get better quick. Need to get into the shop and Blade is coming in a few weeks. Not to mention I need to get back to work.
 
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