GSO 4.1, BHK Bushcrafter, BK16, Enzo Trapper or BRK Bushcrafter?

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The time has come for me to upgrade the Mora MG, but I'll still keep it as a backup. I would really appreciate some advice from anyone who has handled some of these blades and could give a comparison!

I was initially very keen on the GSO 4.1 because of the tough CPM-3V steel, removable scales, pommel and bow drill divot, but apparently it can be more difficult and time consuming to sharpen in the field when compared to O1 or 1095 steels.

The comfort of the handle/scales is also an important factor for my decision.

Thanks in advance!
 
Out of all the knives you listed I would only consider one as a replacement for my Benchmade 162.


Survive! knives GSO 4.1. Got to play with one this last weekend. Amazing knife!
 
I am a knife fancier more than user, and cannot get into the field any more to use them. However, I'm a big fan of SurviveKnives and have had three...two GSO 3.5's and one GSO 4.1. I gave the GSO 4.1 to one of my sons. Two of the three were in 3V. I do like the CPM 3V, and it appears as though Tom Krein likes it also.
I ran across this post by Tom Krein..several yrs old, but he is a superb custom knife-maker and sells a lot of his customs on Arizona Custom Knives... He achieved early fame due to his fine, thin grinds which made slicers out of pry-bars.

posted by Tom Krein
"05-05-2012, 08:53 AM

"I would like to point out that steel blades are a luxury! Bushcraft was done for thousands of years with shards of stone and pieces of rock! Most modern blades are a big improvement over stone implements!

With that said knife performance is like a three legged stool. The legs are steel, geometry, and heat treatment. You need all three for the best performance. In my opinion edge geometry is probably the most important followed by heat treatment! The steel actually makes the least difference in performance in my opinion!!

Your best steel choices for bushcraft are going to need toughness, edge holding, and ease of sharpening. It's up to you which of these to stress, and if stainless is desired. Increased wear resistance usually means more work sharpening. Increased stainless properties usually mean not as tough... Etc.

The reason 1095 is used so much is that it makes a good knife AND it is very very inexpensive! Is it the BEST steel? That is really up to you!

I personally feel most of the super steels are not suited well to bushcraft!! They make great utility, self defense, or hunting knives, and will work for bushcraft intermittently, but require too much effort to sharpen if they become dull. Especially if a Scandi grind as you have a LOT of material to remove. The super steels are usually too much of a good thing!

One thing I have not seen mentioned much is steel grain size. Heat treatment can effect this a LOT, but some steels have a much finer grain than others with optimum heat treatment. Why is this important? Bushcraft involves a LOT of carving! A finer grain knife will carve better and smoother for longer. An example would be D2... D2 WILL take a good edge contrary to some opinion IF you know what you are doing. It can be easily made to shave arm hair without touching your arm! It has a fairly coarse grain structure though and makes a much better hunting knife or utility or defensive knife than a bushcraft blade in my opinion.

What are some good steels for bushcraft? Most have been mentioned, but I'll list a few of my favorites. O1 (well balanced), 10--series steels (well balanced AND very inexpensive), 52100 (extremely fine grained), 5160 (good toughness), Sandvic 13C26 (stainless), A2 (one of my favorites), W2 (well balanced), L6(very tough) and CPM 3V (I consider this a super steel, but it is super tough with good edge retention and relatively easy to sharpen).

The above list is NOT all inclusive, but you can't go wrong with any of them in my opinion IF heat treated properly and good edge geometry is incorporated into the blade!

Of equal importance to what steel or knife to get is sharpening skills and equipment. A dual sided diamond hone that folds with coarse and fine sides along with a small ceramic dual sided stone with medium and fine will allow you to sharpen even the super steels in the field. If you don't know how to sharpen a knife even the best knife will soon be useless.

Stay sharp and remember the above is just my opinion/ experience. Yours may vary!"

Tom
 
The bk 16 is far less expensive than the others mentioned. It would be my choice until you decide that you want something else. I am waiting on my gso 4.1 to arrive though and might change my option then, but the 16 is my favorite knife right now. I would love to own all of those choices someday as they all have terrific reputations. I doubt that you will go wrong with any of them
 
GSO 4.1 all the way. I can't say enough good things about them. Those who say they can't sharpen it as easily as 01 or 1095 has either never owned one, or doesn't know what a strop is.
 
I have quite a few knives in super steels and carbon. Which ones get more use and why? The 3v and 80crv2 are at the top of my list because they are both easy to sharpen in the field, hold an edge much longer than 1095 and both tough as nails. I use a Lansky Blade Medic sharpener and use the carbide only. Easy.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. That's one of the best posts I've seen in a while Sonnydaze.

Seems like GSO 4.1 is the way to go!
 
I am a knife fancier more than user, and cannot get into the field any more to use them. However, I'm a big fan of SurviveKnives and have had three...two GSO 3.5's and one GSO 4.1. I gave the GSO 4.1 to one of my sons. Two of the three were in 3V. I do like the CPM 3V, and it appears as though Tom Krein likes it also.
I ran across this post by Tom Krein..several yrs old, but he is a superb custom knife-maker and sells a lot of his customs on Arizona Custom Knives... He achieved early fame due to his fine, thin grinds which made slicers out of pry-bars.

posted by Tom Krein
"05-05-2012, 08:53 AM

"I would like to point out that steel blades are a luxury! Bushcraft was done for thousands of years with shards of stone and pieces of rock! Most modern blades are a big improvement over stone implements!

With that said knife performance is like a three legged stool. The legs are steel, geometry, and heat treatment. You need all three for the best performance. In my opinion edge geometry is probably the most important followed by heat treatment! The steel actually makes the least difference in performance in my opinion!!

Your best steel choices for bushcraft are going to need toughness, edge holding, and ease of sharpening. It's up to you which of these to stress, and if stainless is desired. Increased wear resistance usually means more work sharpening. Increased stainless properties usually mean not as tough... Etc.

The reason 1095 is used so much is that it makes a good knife AND it is very very inexpensive! Is it the BEST steel? That is really up to you!

I personally feel most of the super steels are not suited well to bushcraft!! They make great utility, self defense, or hunting knives, and will work for bushcraft intermittently, but require too much effort to sharpen if they become dull. Especially if a Scandi grind as you have a LOT of material to remove. The super steels are usually too much of a good thing!

One thing I have not seen mentioned much is steel grain size. Heat treatment can effect this a LOT, but some steels have a much finer grain than others with optimum heat treatment. Why is this important? Bushcraft involves a LOT of carving! A finer grain knife will carve better and smoother for longer. An example would be D2... D2 WILL take a good edge contrary to some opinion IF you know what you are doing. It can be easily made to shave arm hair without touching your arm! It has a fairly coarse grain structure though and makes a much better hunting knife or utility or defensive knife than a bushcraft blade in my opinion.

What are some good steels for bushcraft? Most have been mentioned, but I'll list a few of my favorites. O1 (well balanced), 10--series steels (well balanced AND very inexpensive), 52100 (extremely fine grained), 5160 (good toughness), Sandvic 13C26 (stainless), A2 (one of my favorites), W2 (well balanced), L6(very tough) and CPM 3V (I consider this a super steel, but it is super tough with good edge retention and relatively easy to sharpen).

The above list is NOT all inclusive, but you can't go wrong with any of them in my opinion IF heat treated properly and good edge geometry is incorporated into the blade!

Of equal importance to what steel or knife to get is sharpening skills and equipment. A dual sided diamond hone that folds with coarse and fine sides along with a small ceramic dual sided stone with medium and fine will allow you to sharpen even the super steels in the field. If you don't know how to sharpen a knife even the best knife will soon be useless.

Stay sharp and remember the above is just my opinion/ experience. Yours may vary!"

Tom

Great post Tom.

I would not even endeavor to hold up my end of a blade steel conversation with Tom except to say that my experience in the field with a variety of steels over many years causes me to agree with what he says, though admittedly without the technical metallurgical knowledge he has.

That said, I like the BK 15 alot but have to give the edge (pun?) to the BK15 when it comes to many bushcraft tasks. I also like the Fallkniven F1 and A1 but the Becker 1095 CroVan is so easy to maintain in the field, is inexpensive and just plain works that's it hard to beat all-around.
 
Salty, don't forget that most of the Becker line is half the price as some of the others. They are awesome value!
 
I'd recommend the BK15 instead of the 16, and either one of them over anything else on your list. The 15 is my EDC for 30 days. and I absolutely love it. Becker handles are unbeatable. :thumbup:
 
Get a GSO 4.1 or 4.7 and don't look back.
If you sharpen up your 3V *before* you head out, you won't need to field sharpen it, so don't place a lot of value on ease of sharpening in the field.
3V will also hold it's edge longer than 1095, so again, you won't need to field sharpen.
 
Good point Rasco, though I still enjoy the challenge of field sharpening!
I now have the dilemma deciding between the 4.1 & 4.7...

The BK15/16 is priced very well, but having to upgrade the sheath and scales would mostly negate that.
 
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No need to upgrade the sheath or scales on a Becker tweener. Just about everyone who handles one loves how the handles feel. Some people say that they're too slick and they don't like them, but to me that just shows that they never really worked with the knife, because Ethan's handle designs are so good that they don't need a huge rough texture, especially once you really start working with the blade and holding it tighter. Ethan himself said something along the lines of "if you need a ton of texture on your handles, you should probably think about redesigning your handles.)

The sheath is the same story. Good quality, strong, plus it has a little pouch on the front big enough to put a multitool, SAK, sharpening stone, or a small tin of some kind (full sized altoids tin won't fit). Of course, there are some people who like to make/get made kydex or leather sheaths, but to me, thats more of a "I have some spare cash and no place to spend it" type thing.

As far as field sharpening goes, Ka-Bar does an excellent job with the 1095 Cro-Van's heat treat, that field sharpening is only truly needed every few days. I recently (for the 30 day BK15 EDC thing) went a week without sharpening, and put it through some pretty good use, and it would no longer shave hair, but it still had a good working edge on it.

As always, YMMV.

Stop by the Becker subforum sometime, too!
 
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