Gun finish story - suggestions welcomed

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Hey guys,

Wanted to relate a recent event and ask you to check my thoughts on fixing it. Just picked up a perfect S&W K-38 Masterpiece with the original box as part of a knives + cash for guns deal. (A pre-Model 14 K-38 4".)

Break it out separately and I only paid about $225 for it, so I was very pleased. He told me it was from his Dad, and was dated from 1947, but I checked Fjestad's and inside the crane and there is a version marking there, so I know it had to have been made after 1958.

With the box and gowithits accessories it all came with and everything I'm putting it at late 50's so. It's in phenomenal condition, and I was so pumped at the deal I wasn't paying enough attention. Cylinder and grip frame have matching serial #'s, ribbed barrel, perfect original square butt target grips, there wasn't even a pall drag line on the cylinder! Locks up like a bank vault, and sweet 3 lb. SA letoff. Blueing was perfect all around. I'd bet $100 it has never been fired.

So I do the deal and get it all signed over and get it home, and am showing it to my son who only knows autoloaders, and he asks "What's the 'K' on the bottom of the grip frame stand for?" I told him it was because it was a K-Frame Smith.

So then he asks, "OK, then, what's the 'B' on the frame behind the trigger guard stand for?"

"B"?? WTH? I put on my reading glasses and there right where your middle finger would lie behind the trigger is a poorly engraved "B" made by some fool with a Dremel! Aaagggh! :eek:

I swear, a freakin' _perfect_ 50+ year old S&W and some MORON carved the first initial of his last name into it! If the old owner wasn't already dead I'd kill him I swear (preferably with a Dremel!) :mad:

My son tells me to just let it go, you got a great shooter for a good price, so relax and enjoy it, but I can't. I'm too damned picky for my own good I guess.

I don't think a gunsmith could do much better, but I'm going to try and polish it out with a kratex bit and then I'll have to heat it up a bit and try and cold blue the spot. I've used both Oxpho-Blue for bright blue finishes, and Brownell's 44-40 for darker more matte blues, and this looks like the latter. Trouble is, the kratex bit turns everything it hits into glass, which is why it's perfect for triggers and feed ramps, etc. The finish on this one is a matte blue, so I don't know how close I can get it.

Bottom line, is it will never probably blend 100% with the old finish, but I can't stand seeing that stupid "B" scrawled into the frame!

If anyone has advice on the best way to go about this I'd appreciate it.
If I was going to re-sell this I don't think I'd do it, but this will be a great little shooter.

Funny thing, I had never heard of a K-38 with anything but a 6" barrel, but this is a 4". Was hoping for the 6, but this would be the perfect pistol to transition beginning shooters to a larger and heavier L-frame .357.

Later,

Norm
 
Yeah, you may be right. Probably run me $40 or $50 anyway, but maybe he'd have a way to blend the work better. My skills end at doing simple touchups; maybe I could get away with it and maybe I'd make it worse...

One of those "too good to be true!" deals.

Norm
 
Skeeter Skelton once penned a story titled something like "Bustamonte I hate you". During a south of the border escapade, Skeet happened upon a pristine Colt 38-40, IIRC, in the original box. He hastely made the deal and absconded with his booty. When he dragged it out later he discovered the side facing down in the box had the name "Bustamonte" scratched into it with what appeared to have been a rusty nail. You have a great classic gun and are in good company:). I say enjoy it and you can later tell your grandkids a story called "B. I hate you!":D
 
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The "B" is probably why the gun didn't sell for $1000 plus to some collector years ago. A blessing in disguise?
 
I don't see any problem here ... let's let bygones be bygones.


Sincerely,

"B"













sorry 'bout that, Norm
 
I feel your pain about the 'personalization' but I'd also say leave it as it is. If not how about getting the 'B' changed into a 'N'? I do not think you will match the beautiful old original blue finish no matter what method or process you try.

As an aside, I had a Model 15 which had a 4inch barrel. Maybe the original owner had a custom order made up? S&W were still doing custom orders in the late 1970's and early 1980's when I was an active competition shooter.
 
Thanks guys, and your advice ended up being spot on. I was so tempted to get out my own Dremel, polish out the "B" and then cold blue it, but researched and found out that I would certainly reduce the value even more by doing that. Even with the stupid hand engraved "B" behind the trigger it is worth nearly 3X what I paid, and my instructions are to leave it alone and don't change a thing. I also found out that the box and little knurled screwdriver and metal cleaning rod that came with it are worth nearly as much as the pistol!

A S&W guy looked up the serial number for me and told me it is very early pre-Model 15 .38 Combat Masterpiece, and that it left the factory in 1951. It's 60 years old and looks like it's been in a hyperbaric chamber or something, but hell I'm going to shoot it a bit for sure.

Evidently there are still a lot of these out there, but most don't have the box and 99% of the little metal screwdrivers are long gone, so the 'Smith collectors want them. (They have their own version of HIKV!)

Here are a couple of pics. You can see the bubba work on the bottom pic. You would think the guy would have realized that there is a UNIQUE SERIAL NUMBER ON EVERY GUN! So why start engraving your initials in it? :confused::confused: Thanks again.

Norm


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I don't see any problem here ... let's let bygones be bygones.


Sincerely,

"B"













sorry 'bout that, Norm

Hey no sweat Mike! BTW, why don't you mail me that 25" horn Malla you've got laying around? I have a spanking new engraver and thought I would carve my initials into the ricasso. You know, just to customize it a bit? LOL! :D :rolleyes:

It's so plain looking otherwise... ;)
 
Yeah, you may be right. Probably run me $40 or $50 anyway, but maybe he'd have a way to blend the work better. My skills end at doing simple touchups; maybe I could get away with it and maybe I'd make it worse...

One of those "too good to be true!" deals.

Norm

Norm??

GraverTom is our resident expert. Worth an inquiry, at least.

Lovely old revolver. :)
 
leave it alone was the right call! It will never be better than it is now.

Unless you have me engrave it for you, of course!

;)

(wait until I get famous though!)

take care,

Tom
 
Thanks Kismet and Tom! I will leave it alone and appreciate it for what it is. Funny, I don't mind my HI knives with initials on them, but a serial numbered revolver is a bit different.

I did the math and figured out that his Dad was about 18 or 19 years old when he bought this and got busy with his engraver, so that's probably all I need to know. I did the same stupid thing with a few old books when I was the same age, so I have a feeling he may have lived to feel foolish about it.

(For some reason it turns out that I didn't know everything at 18 after all...! :eek: :rolleyes:)

Regards,

Norm
 
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