Gun guys, a couple of questions

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Hey all, I have a few questions regarding a few things that are new to me and would really appreciate some straight answers.

I am going to get a CZ 452 type rifle, not decided exactly what model at the moment, but prob the Varmint.

Anyway I already bought a scope for it, Redfield 2-7x33 which got 5* out of 35 reviewers on optic planet.

I then went to get some rings and the guy in the shop sold me some Millet angle-loc windage adjustable ones saying that was all that I would need with a .22. I did mention that I would pay for better if they had it as the price seemed a little too low, he said that they were really OK.

Next, is it necessary to break in a .22 barrel with the 1 shot, clean, 2 shots clean process?

Ammo: What makes a particular gun like a particular ammo? I was hoping to shoot CCI's as they are only going to be used for plinking, still, I would rather be able to get tight groups even doing that. :D

I bought some nice cleaning stuff and some Hoppes 9, is there anything else out there that you recommend to keep the BRNO in top shape?

Thanks
 
Well, I hate Millett rings, so I'm probably not the guy you want to discuss that with; I think they're a pain to mount and not particularily tight.

You will do more to break in the barrel by shooting than by cleaning, and this is a .22 not a bench rest barrel that's been hand honed. If you want to polish it make a couple polishing jigs from lead and old bore brushes and run some 4x Clover compound down the barrel. But really, you don't need to do that.

Barrels are what make a rifle "like" certain ammo. It's lack of restrictions, polish, freebore, chamber, the type of rifling and the twist that make the most difference.

If you're really worried about accuracy, buy a box of a couple dozen different loads and then take your time figuring out which work best. Then buy a couple cases of the same load.
 
Those mounts will be good for you. If you are after real tight groups you will need to try different brands of ammo. For plinking the cheap stuff is Ok most of the time.
I never broke in a barrel, I would run some patches thru it when you get the new gun home to clean any oils/grit out , then go shooting. I dont clean my 22s very often (like never) unless they stop working or accuracy falls off. If you choose to clean , always remove the bolt and push the rod thru from the breech end , the same way the bullet travels. Check out rimfirecentral.com , Guys there are top notch when it comes to rimfires
 
Those rings suck! I have a pair of "windage adjustable" Millets on my 10/22, and they are the biggest pain in the butt to align you can imagine. Not only that, They need to be lapped a bunch or they scratch up your scope.

Get Burris Zee signature rings.

Dinkum said:
Next, is it necessary to break in a .22 barrel with the 1 shot, clean, 2 shots clean process?
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That is never necessary.
 
I can't help you with the rings but I can tell you you will probably be very happy with the rifle. I bought a 452 about a month and a half ago and I am impressed. As far as the ammo goes everyone has told me to try everything that there is and see what works best. I have also heard that if you spend the money for expensive match grade ammo you will usually get very good results. Especially with this particular rifle. I looked at the military trainer and the ultra lux. I wanted something with iron sights. Eventually I'll put some glass on it. Enjoy your new gun.
 
Congrats on buying a top notch .22. Aussie pro rabbit shooters have been useing Bruno 22.s since the legendary model 1 came out and they will out shoot many so called target rifles. You have a good rifle and scope so don't skimp on the mounts, as for ammo most people I know with Cz's do pretty well with Winchester Power points but as others have said try a few different brands. Don't bother with much cleaning and I wouldn't bother polishing the bore either , thats one reason the CZ's shoot so well, good bores. Many Brunos are still going strong after sixty years of use, so you won't wear it out in a hurry thats for sure.
 
Cheap scope mounts give cheap results. Spend the money once and buy something good quality. I would be asking around some other gun shops or online forums for advice on this. A well mounted scope is critical to accurate shooting.

Consistency is the key to good .22 ammo. I target shoot a CZ452 Lux and use Winchester Power Point. The only preparation I do is weigh each round from the box and separate into lots that weigh the same, (Each of my match shoots needs 18 rounds).
CCI Stinger is reliable and powerful, but am convinced that they vary the amount of powder in their product. I can never shoot a 10 shot group with CCI's that doesn't have at least 1 flyer. Having said that, the "flyer" is usually no more than 1/8 inch at 25 yards, easily good enough for plinking and general hunting use. (I no longer hunt). Winchester PP is as accurate as I am capable of shooting.
If you need tackdriver accuracy, experiment with different ammo, and stick with the one with the best results.
CZ barrels don't need breaking in, clean with Hoppes 9, one or two runs with a brass bore brush and one or two pull throughs with a dry and then an oily patch, Use good quality gun oil (I like Remington), and do not let WD40 anywhere near your rifle.

Congratulations on picking the CZ. These are fine rifles, and looked after, will last for generations.
 
I "built" a 10/22 for the Chevy Team Challenge, and did break in the Clark barrel, shot a couple /cleaned/ shot a couple etc, and could feel a small difference when running the patch through, just in case it might make a difference... after that, did not clean very regularly( talked to Mr. Jim Clark and he recommended shooting at least 50 rounds of each brand of ammo before making any accuracy decisions, to let them build up a residue around the chamber)...as far as rings I like Burrus "Zee" rings and since the 10/22 has an aluminum receiver tapped the barrel and mounted to it... 22's can be "tuned" by forearm tension, and harmonic balancers to dial in various brands of ammo to adjust the zero node in the barrel vibration.... the rim thickness of the ammo needs to be consistent, but you can usually find a brand that shoots to your expectation... my M41 and 10/22 both liked WinSuperX HV ($500 later it would shoot 1in at 100y)... your bolt gun should have good repeatable headspace and firing pin strike...10/22 accuracy can suffer due to sloppy firing pin movement and headspace... good luck with your choice, CZ has a good reputation
 
I have a CZ 452 Varmint in .17 HMR w/Brooks trigger kit and Simmons 6.5-20X..I used a BKL 261 one piece mount/ring. The 261 is excellent and necessary because my scope objective is 63.5 mm[2.5"].

I recommend you visit rimfirecentral.com and look at their CZ sub-forum...lot of great information. You should consider a "YoDave" trigger kit..low price upgrade[ equal to or better than my Brooks kit- Mr. Brooks apparently developed some delivery issues and burnt some great reputation, too bad].

I also suggest that you buy an extra magazine..just in case.

My rifle is a paper-punching, prairie dog killing machine as I have it set up however I am just an old trigger puller.

I shoot a lot of .22 in 10/22's w/after market barrels..best accuracy in those rifles is with Wolf Match Target although I shoot WW Dynapoints for plinking and CCI Velocitors
for ditch panthers.

I'm sure you'll be very happy with your 452.
 
I own a 16" 452 with a factory threaded bbl. I run a Gemtech Outback II with it.

Wolf Match Target has produced the best results for me.

Rimfire Technologies used to offer custom bases; I no longer see them on their site.

For glass I have a Falcon Menace 4-14 FFFP with Seekins Precision rings.

I am completely satisfied with this setup.

For LOTS of more information I suggest spending some time here:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=30&page=1

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Thanks guys, I appreciate the info.

Oh its going to be such a chore to have to shoot all that ammo, just to see what she likes to eat :D
 
Buy some good copper washed 22LR and enjoy your rifle. Clean the barrel first to ensure the factory oils and any debris are cleaned out. Run a couple patches down the bore every 10 shots or so for the first box and you should be good to go.

As for rings, I would look for something better. Will they work? Sure. Are they worth the trouble? Probably not.
 
Someone told me I could be virtually assured of very good accuracy if I spent the money and got some Eley Match Black cartridges. ~$13 for a box of 50. Still much less per round than I pay for the least expensive .40 practice ammo (I usually shoot Winchester white box 100 round boxes). Most are of the opinion that you don't need to spend that much to have a serious tack driver. The thing I love the most about .22LR is how inexpensive the ammo is. :)
 
Have fun, Dinkum.
You have one of the best brand rifles available in Oz, a good pick for your glass, and while I don't agree with the Millett scope rings, your choice, good luck. (I still urge you to spend once only and get some quality mounts.)

Even if it doesn't all hang together within a month or two, you will have immense fun with this fine rifle. Nothing like knowing you can knock the eyebrows off a fly or bring home a bunny or two for the pot whenever you squeeze the trigger.
 
More 22 rifles have had their accuracy ruined by grit-embedded aluminum cleaning rods than have ever been ruined by lack of cleaning. One of my college roommates was an NCAA smallbore shooter and he told me they MIGHT clean their bores every 10,000 rounds. They clean their ACTIONS all the time, but I never saw him put a rod down the barrel the whole time I knew him.

IMO the only time a 22 rifle needs the bore swabbed is before you shoot it the first time (in case there's some abrasive grit left over from manufacturing or shipping) or if you jam the muzzle into the mud.
 
I haven't cleaned a 22 bore since the ammo makers went almost exclusively to copper clad bullets. When I shot lead I might clean every several thousand rounds and then only when the chamber became 'sticky.'

Break in? Not for me. Why? The bore will slick up from shooting. You'll see accuracy gradually improve to a point and then the gun will stay like that indefinitely. Not much bore wear from 22s.
 
elkins45 said:
More 22 rifles have had their accuracy ruined by grit-embedded aluminum cleaning rods than have ever been ruined by lack of cleaning. One of my college roommates was an NCAA smallbore shooter and he told me they MIGHT clean their bores every 10,000 rounds. They clean their ACTIONS all the time, but I never saw him put a rod down the barrel the whole time I knew him.

IMO the only time a 22 rifle needs the bore swabbed is before you shoot it the first time (in case there's some abrasive grit left over from manufacturing or shipping) or if you jam the muzzle into the mud.
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+1:thumbup: This is the best advice you will ever get on cleaning a .22 rimfire bore. If you absolutely, positively have to run a patch through your bore, make yourself a pull through out of strong nylon string. Just tie a loop on one end and pull a patch through the bore from the chamber. Don't ever reuse a patch.

When I was on my high school ROTC rifle team ('56 to '59), we NEVER cleaned the bores of our match rifles and we shot greasy plain lead bullets. I couldn't even guess at how many rounds when down those tubes.

Ammo? Whatever your rifle likes. For plinking, I would use standard velocity ammo. It's usually more accurate then the high velocity types. If you look into the subject, you will notice that most match ammo has a velocity of around 1080 fps. There is a reason for that. Look it up. You may learn something.

OK, this should save some time searching. Read this http://carteach0.blogspot.com/2008/08/testing-22-ammunition-for-velocity-and.html
 
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