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wildmanh

wildmanh

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Hi guys, I've finally gotten around to taking some pics of my pistols. For those that don't know, I have a Ruger Single 6 (.22LR/.22 WMR) 5.5" revolver and a new Beretta U22 Neos with the 4.5" Barrel.

Before we get to the pics, let me put in a few words. Took a friend shooting today and together we probably put about 200 rounds threw the Neos. Less threw the Ruger. Thats the first time I've shot my Neos, it was fun. The rear sight was out of alignment and I didn't notice all weekend fondling it. Well it was quite aperent at the range this afternoon. Once we got it sighted in it did great at 10 yards. It was lots of fun. Can't wait to go again. On the way out of the shooting range, I stopped to look at some Nylon holsters,. One of the employees was nice enought to help me find a universal model that fit and adjust it for me, so I bought it. :) Now I have holsters for all my guns, even the Ruger Blackhawk I have on lay away. LOL!!

Now that the background info is out of the way, it's time for the pictures! So here you go:

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Tom, the Beretta points really well after I fixed the windage on the rear sight. LOL!! Even with the 4.5" Barrel it shoots really really straight.

My only complaint with the NEOS family of guns is with the Magazine. All of them are a little short; the bottum of the Mag doesn't sit flush with the bottum of the handle. It's kind of indented. So If you are not carefull you might not get the Magazine all the way in. Will find some rubber and glue it to the butt of the magazines so they stick out of the handle a little, kind of like the slamb pad on competition .45's.

DannyinJapan: damned thing looks just like an HKVP70
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Danny, have any pics of the gun you mentioned? I'm not familure with it.

Everyone thats shot a Neos (either mine or the rentals at the range) have liked them. It's more populare then my Single Six. Mainly because it doesn't have to be cocked every time. With the three magazines, we can burn threw ammo rather quickly. :D

Beretta recommends that the gun be stored with the breach closed (or with the breach break) and the safety on. Is that common for most semi auto pistols?

Thanks again,

Heber
 
Took both pistols shooting last night with a friend. We fired off probably 350 to 400 rounds from both guns. It was a blast. Now the Neos has 525 rounds threw it and is feeling really nice.

My only complaint about the Noes is the rear sight keeps moving on me. It's agustible for windage and elivation and the windage keeps wandering. If I can't figure that one out, I'll get me some fixed sights which is what I prefer. Over all it's a sweet gun. One I would recommend to anyone wanting a fun plinker.

By the way, I worked on my stance and grip last night. Was able to get some nice groopings at 10 yards. Will see what I can do at 15 yards with the new stuff I practiced. :D

Anyone else have cool gun pics they want to share?

Heber
 
I don't have any decent pics ready to go, I'll try to take some later. For now, here is a little article I wrote about grip. Hope it helps.

Andy

The Grip

As have many handgun shooters, I've gone through several iterations when it comes to stance and grip technique. I began just holding the gun and trying to be steady with one hand, such as bullseye shooters use. From there I moved to the "saucer and teacup" method. Then to the Weaver stance. And now I utilize the isosceles stance together with the high hand, thumbs forward grip.

I use the isosceles stance because it works best with the "thumbs forward" grip. This grip technique, which most highly-skilled modern handgunners use, is as follows:

For safety's sake, triple-check to make sure your weapon is empty.

1. Grip the handgun in your strong hand as usual.

2. While pointing your weapon at your target, point your weak hand thumb at the target. Yes, I said, point it at the target! It should be parallel with the frame of the weapon, and it should be relaxed.

Lay your weak hand's fingers over the strong hand's fingers.

3. Both thumbs should be more or less parallel to the slide of the weapon, but relaxed. Your strong hand thumb should be relaxed and basically doing nothing (or resting on the thumb safety - depending on the gun). Your weak hand should be applying pressure to the fingers of the strong hand, basically holding the strong hand in its grip on the weapon.

4. Lean forward slightly at the waist.

5. Grip the handgun so that about 60% of your grip comes from the weak hand, 40% from the strong hand.

6. Your weak hand wrist should be locked in its fullest downward position. There should be tension there, but not pain.

7. The palm and heel of your weak hand should have maximum contact with the grip of the weapon. The grip of the weapon should be held between the heel of your strong hand and the heel of your weak hand.

OK. If you are doing this correctly, you have just maximized the amount of hand flesh contacting your weapon.

8. Extend both arms equally out from the body to eye level with your torso square to your target. Don't extend your arms out any further than you can without creating tension. If your hands feel like they are trying to start pulling away from the weapon, let your arms come back in closer to your body.

9. Your feet should be about shoulder width apart, with your weight on the balls of your feet, not your heels.

10. Bend both elbows so that they are comfortable. Do not lock them. Your weak arm elbow will be slightly straighter than your strong arm.

REVIEW: Four things will help to control recoil and maximize accuracy; your locked weak wrist; the heel of your weak hand against the grip/frame of the weapon; the pressure applied by your weak hand to the bottom/front of the grip; your stance.

All of these things help to dampen recoil. The 60-40 grip helps to allow your strong hand to relax, and this allows your trigger finger to run the trigger without causing your whole hand to grip the weapon too strongly. The 60-40 grip enhances accuracy.

This grip can be enhanced by applying skateboard tape to the support side grip of the weapon everywhere your support hand contacts the frame, the rougher surface definitely aids in controlling recoil. And yes, I have it on my carry weapons also.

Without this technique you simply cannot control recoil effectively. With proper technique, it appears that the slide simply cycles back and forward, back and forward, with practically no muzzle rise. Imagine what this can do for your accuracy and speed! You don't lose your sights, your shot splits decrease, your accuracy improves. All plusses in my book.

Andy C.
 
I've heard alot of folks swear by the Isoceles, but I just can't get comfortable with it. I'm sure that's my problem, and not the idea behind it. I think it's a good stance, but I learned with the Weaver, and now use a slightly modified Weaver stance. My right arm is 1" longer than my left, and the Weaver subsequently feels a lot more natural. With the Isoceles (taught just the way Andy describes it above), I have a lot of strain in my left arm because of the length I guess, that is very uncomfortable. I also don't like being broad faced to the target, (who may be shooting back at you?)

I don't point my thumbs up either, never understood that. On the 1911 guys who rest their shooting thumb on the safety now need a slide block/plate to keep their thumb from getting torn up. I just point both thumbs forward and it works for me. I have long fingers and never had any problem "accidentally" bumping on the slide stop either.

Half the rooney cr%& sold for the 1911 is just that. Stuff designed to separate you from your $. (I know because I have every bit of it sitting in drawers here and there, NOT on the gun.) :o

Another is the ambi safety. Maybe some folks need it, but I (and several other folks I know) have no problem taking off a left mounted slide safety with the right hand thumb while holding the gun.

Anyway, I taught my son to shoot this way and he qualified easily at the police academy and shoots very well. Both eyes open, focus on the front sight, try and count your rounds, trigger-control, practice double-taps whenever possible, tap/rack/bang drills (with snap-caps), quick smooth reloads and back on target.

Norm

P.S. Wildman, didn't mean to hijack your thread! Some very nice pistols there. That Neos looks like a lot of fun. Danny's right, it does look like the old VP70. That was a gun that was ahead of it's time...
 
I had a VP70 for two weeks. I bought it, shot it and sold it.
The trigger pull is about the same as one of those 25kg grip strengtheners.
It was designed to fire three round bursts, so you know, it needed a long heavy trigger pull, but single shots, always DA, it sucks.
I would love to have a P9S. I have never picked up a gun that fit my hand so well, ever..
 
Guys, thanks for the responces. :) It's always nice to know that some one is listening.

Saturday was my 26th birthday. My brother Seth, Josh (friend from work that I go shooting with) and I went went shooting around 2pm. We shot lots of 9mm pistols and both of my .22 pistols. Shot about 100 rounds .22 WMR threw the Single Six (thats all we shot threw it the whole day) and about 150 rounds of Remington Hollow Points threw the Neos. My brother really liked the Neos and is leaning towards getting one when/if he gets a .22 pistol.

I had gotten 100 rounds 9mm when I picked up my Neos for use in my Ruger Blackhawk, but won't be getting it for 2 more weeks so I used them at the range in Josh's S&W Sigma. Josh and my brother bought 150 rounds of 9mm and rented three different pistols (they payed 50/50 for the rentals and ammo since I got the targets and already payed for range fees). A Glock 17, Glock 19 and a SpringField XD. The first 9mm pistol I shot was the Sigma (Last time I shot the Sigma I couldn't make anything resembling a group) and did okay with the new stance and grip I've been practicing. After a magazine or two I tried out the Glock 17. Mind you, while holding the Glock 17 in the store I disliked the grip, it was to thick and felt to rough on my hands. But shooting it was okay. Liked the 19 the best since it has a slightly smaller grip, or was that my imagination? Either way, I was quite impressed by the Glocks.

After that I shot the XD again and rather liked it. Just like I had before, but this time I got a good group for me. At 7 yards I was able to keep 4 out of 6 shots with-in the 3" center circle on the target. :D I was rather impressed. With the Glocks I was 50/50. The XD feels rather nice in my hand and I like all the manual safetys on it. Plus I like the shorter trigger pull compaired to the Sigma. It feals like you are pulling the trigger on the Sigma for ever then it all of a sudden with out warning goes Bang! But with the XD the pull is shorter and you can tell when it's going to fire. I Found out that, if I know when the gun will go Bang, I'm less likely to flinch and hesitate which really throws off my aim.

My brother didn't like the XD, he said it kept jamming on him. Am suspecting that he wasn't depressing the grip safety all the way. But might never know. Josh and I loved the XD Seth did not. He liked the Glock 17 so he might be getting one some day. To each there own. As for me, I'm going to get my Ruger Blackhawk then eventually save up to get a SpringField XD. By the way, we shot the Stainless and black Two tone 4 inch Service model. I like that gun, though wonder what the 5" model would have been like.

While my brother and Josh were trying out the 9mm's (figured they could shoot them more since they payed for them) I tried out someones Walther P22 pistol. He had a black 3" barreled model. That little pistol was sweet! He says he got it for his wife when she comes to the range with him. Hardly had any kick, maybe even less then my two .22's or it could be that I had just shot 17 rounds threw the Glock 17 so didn't notice. Either way, I liked it. Thinking I might have to get one some day. I asked here about them and had heared some bad reports, but I couldn't fault the gun at all when I shot it. Some one else at the range on Saturday had a two tone 5" barreled model and was having lots of fun with his. Around here it's about as populare as the Beretta Neos if not more so.

After 2 hours of shooting we had gone threw 250 rounds of 9mm, 100 rounds .22 WMR and probably 150 rounds of the Remington Hollowpount Vallue pack I got. Was lots of fun! :D Monday is Josh and I's shooting day but I've had a cold for a week and am tired of it so I stayed home. But Friday is my day off and payday so I'll probably go to the range then to shoot my .22's. The pay day after this one I get my Ruger. :D

Thanks for listening. Comments welcome as always,

Heber
 
I haven't heard anything bad from people handling the Springfield XD series of pistols. Everyone seems to like them.

My wife has the Walther .22 and likes it a lot. We had trouble with the first one we purchased, but the store in Montana made it right and gave us a replacement. A .22 with light recoil and an experienced owner, is a lot better defense weapon than a .40 that kicks too much for the beloved female family member who never practises with it.


munk
 
munk said:
I haven't heard anything bad from people handling the Springfield XD series of pistols. Everyone seems to like them.

My wife has the Walther .22 and likes it a lot. We had trouble with the first one we purchased, but the store in Montana made it right and gave us a replacement. A .22 with light recoil and an experienced owner, is a lot better defense weapon than a .40 that kicks too much for the beloved female family member who never practises with it.


munk
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Munk glad your wife likes it and you were able to get the problems worked out. What size barrel did you guys get? Do you guys get to use it much? (target practice not home defence. ;))

Heber
 
Whenever we go out shooting, to get away from the kids and be together, she takes that. I bring along her Ruger 10/22, and my own Colt Challenger. I've a Browning silhowette (sic) buckmark that is real neat too. I'll go look at barrel length later today and get back to you.


munk
 
Springfield XD series of pistols. Everyone seems to like them
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Not I, said the John. There is a hump near the bottom of the butt that smacks my hand painfully on the XD. I seem to be alone on this, though...:p

Speaking of recoil, practice, and such, I'm getting a WASR-2 5.45x39mm for The Jordy. She thinks the AK rifles are cool, and I think she's a lot more likely to enjoy shooting a rifle with virtually no recoil...

and, face it, guys: the most important thing is the ability to put a hole in the target. Bigger holes are better, but even smaller holes are better than no holes.

J
 
Shooting 1911's with the thumb on top of the safety is pretty popular. But this is the first I've heard of a slide block/plate to prevent a torn up thumb? Got a pic of one:p ?

Svashtar said:
I don't point my thumbs up either, never understood that. On the 1911 guys who rest their shooting thumb on the safety now need a slide block/plate to keep their thumb from getting torn up.
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chickenfried said:
Shooting 1911's with the thumb on top of the safety is pretty popular. But this is the first I've heard of a slide block/plate to prevent a torn up thumb? Got a pic of one:p ?
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No, not offhand, but I have seen several installed. They drop in so that there is a small plate between your thumb and the slide serrations. If you keep your thumb down then there's no need for it. Also if you ride the safety you need a wider safety, which I don't like either. I have an old Swenson speed safety on my first Mk IV Series 70, and it is the perfect size, not too wide, but longer than the factory.

I'll see if I can find a pic of what I'm talking about and post it here.

Norm

This isn't exactly like the ones I've seen, but close. It looks about the same installed. This one by Swenson incorporates the shield into the ambi safety. Too large for my taste, and at $90+ something I can live without...

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/st...1&title=1911+AUTO+SWENSON+THUMB+SHIELD+SAFETY
 
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