Gunn Laws in US

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Hi guys, I'm having a discussion with some friends over gun laws in the US, fueled by the latest mass shooting. I said you guys can't purchase assault rifles, my friends claims you can. In particular he offered a YouTube clip demonstrating the Sig MCX conversion kit. Can anyone clear this up for me? How easy is it to get weapons that will fire on full auto, is really what I want to know. Any details on restrictions on the sales of the Sig MCX kit would also be appreciated.
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Full auto (for regular people, non-police, non-military, non-FFL/SOT) requires an FBI Background check, tax stamp, and an approximately 6-month wait. The machine gun (legal term for anything that fires more than 1 round w/ 1 trigger pull) must have been manufactured/made prior to the 1986 cut-off date for the NFA registry.

If you're talking about the full auto MCX, regular people can't get them at all (post '86 manufacture).

Edit: just realized the MCX is the semi auto version, MPX is full auto. We can get the 16" MCX easily. The 9" version requires a tax stamp, background check & 6-month wait. Same for the suppressor.
 
This can be a very complicated subject. Take the term "assault rifle", for instance. What is an assault rifle? An AR-15, an AK-47? It's what the media and politicians want it to mean. In most states it is perfectly legal to purchase a semi-automatic AR-15 or AK-47 type rifle.

When you talk about full auto, that's something else. In most states it is legal. You can own a machine gun after paying a $200 tax and getting your local chief LEO to sign off your ATF form 1. There is a catch. You better have very deep pockets. No full auto firearm that was imported after 1968 or made after May 19, 1986 can be transferred to a private party. Therefore, transferable weapons prices are usually in 5 figures. For example, a semi-auto version of a Thompson submachinegun may sell for $1000 to $2000. A full auto Thompson will easily bring $20,000. A Colt SP1 may sell for about $1000. Maybe a little more. There is a Colt M16 M16A1 listed on gunbroker with the bidding at $24,050. The owner wants $27,500 for it and will probably get it.

RE: the SIG MCX. The semi-auto version is legal. The full auto versions can only be tranfered to law enforcement agencies and the military. (There may be exceptions that I don't know about) Short barreled semi-auto versions may be legal when the $200 tax has been paid and the form 1 approved.

See? I told you it was complicated.


Edit: I see that budthachud answered while I was writing my response. I just went into a bit more detail.
 
The term "assault rifle" is extremely contentious. Most of the time, it's absurd. An M-16 is an assault rifle, as it's an evolution of the "sturmgewer" term coined in WWII by German to describe their StG-44, designed as an intermediary between overly powerful full-sized cartridge rifles and pistol-caliber submachine guns. Something more controllable under automatic fire, with range effective enough for most soldiers' ability to aim, and with more power and range than a SMG.

But an AR-15 is simply a semi-auto civilian version of the M-16, and I (and many) would argue is not an assault rifle, as it is not intended as a weapon of war. The identical appearance is irrelevant, as is the design of a completely different looking hunting rifle (made to look more classic, for example). A .223 Remington does the same thing out of gun regardless of what the gun looks like. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban's criteria was based largely on irrelevant and cosmetic criteria. Folding/telescoping stocks, bayonet lugs (seriously?), pistol grip, grenade launcher support, flash suppressors, etc. All it did was to force companies to redesign their stocks/grips and not use flash suppressors. And obviously nobody gave a crap about not having bayonet lugs or lack of being able to launch rifle-fired grenades. None of that changed the fact that a bullet is a bullet and doesn't care how the gun looks that it's being fired from. The ban also didn't include previously manufactured guns, so those were still on the market (at a premium, of course). There's a reason the ban sunsetted after its 10 year term.

That's why I say the term "assault rifle" or "assault weapon" is ridiculous. Is a 00 12 gauge buck shot shell more deadly because it came out of a military styled Benelli compared to a hand-engraved walnut stocked Beretta?

True "assault weapons"? Yeah, you can buy them here. If my memory serves me, 43 states allow Class III weapons. But as others explained, lots of loops to jump through, and it ain't cheap. And those aren't the people that you don't have to worry about. Of course there are other ways; black market, obviously, and anyone with a properly equipped machine shop and the right knowledge can turn a legally-imported semi-auto Bulgarian AK-47 into a fully automatic one (like those guys that robbed that bank in L.A.). It's not magic, it's just mechanics.

The Oregon shooter had legally purchased guns. The same guns that millions of other Americans own and haven't killed and won't kill anybody with. This tragedy, and so many others, took place in "weapons free zones". More, and more restrictive laws aren't the answer. Crazy mofos don't care about those laws. Here in Tucson a nursing student at the U of A killed 3 professors and himself (a "weapons free zone" - don't ask me why nunchucks are on those signs). Also in Tucson, some crazy mofo killed 6 people, and wounded many others, including US Representative Gabby Giffords (the intended targe), in a place that wasn't a "weapons free zone". I think that "weapons free zones" are a bad idea, because they make prime targets for crazy mofos, because the law-abiding gun owners won't be packing there. Like that theater in Colorado that banned guns, and the "Batman" movie opened with a horrible tragedy. I don't have the answer, because banning crazy mofos for being crazy mofos isn't possible. Obviously allowing anybody and everybody to pack is no guarantee of some gunslinging hero to appear to keep the world safe. But I, for one, feel less safe in a so-called "weapons free zone". I don't own a gun myself (yet), but I am more wary of weapon free zones, and consider anyone who thinks these places are safe because of some sign to be complete fools.
 
China has very strict gun control. China has mass stabbings instead of shootings.
 
I'm sorry, this just doesn't belong in Community...
 
I'm sorry, this just doesn't belong in Community...

Sorry, with political connotations, etc, I thought Community was a fairly logical place for it. If any mods want to move, it will be no skin off my nose.
numbesman
 
Sorry, with political connotations, etc, I thought Community was a fairly logical place for it. If any mods want to move, it will be no skin off my nose.
numbesman

Some of you guys need to brush up on your reading skills. If you are NOT sure where to post, ask!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/613241-I-guess-a-few-of-you-need-reminding!!!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=742&a=81

Both located at the top of the forum, big and bold as the sky.
 
Sorry, with political connotations, etc, I thought Community was a fairly logical place for it. If any mods want to move, it will be no skin off my nose.
numbesman

Doesn't belong on this site period. This is a knife site. Try ar15.com or somewhere.

And geez, who can't spell "gun" for c'sakes?

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