Gunting training- usage

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Gunting is a tool in an overall system.
The system is based on whathe late Professor Presas called the Mano De Tranka Sinawali Applications...
and forget the big name..
the point was to show that within everyone's natural action-reaction there was a place to enter, trap & strike..in gross terminologies..
He used to call Modern Arnis in general and the concepts he taught "the art within your art"..
That meant that upon learning the concepts one took and used those concepts within one's own range of motion and within one's own understanding of knowledge...
Yup..you got it..
After learning Gunting & usage..if you look @ all of us..we all use the same conceptual motions but we all use it differently...
We can't beat principals of motion..thats defined and set..
We can't beat the concepts the way those principles might be used...
but we might pick different conceptual ideas at different times..
Then we get to usage of the tool...we start to differ here..
impact or edged?( OK its MORE than that but thats an idea!)
application itself?
now the shades of grey are becoming very very vast and the differences of how the Gunting system is applied in real time has lots of variations...
actual techniques within all that?
wow...
too many to talk of....

best part? the tool and system meld with just about anyone of any size and shape and with any level of martial arts training..
from nil to expert..

Ok
hope that helps..

Bram
 
Principal:
arms open & close...we are built that way...
Concept:
we can open them @ same time
we can close @ same time
we can open one- close one..alternating, following..weaving
we can open & close in a pattern
Usage:
tool itself..
Appication:
using the tool itself in an actual situation...
techniques?
those quirky little thing of "do it like this" exactly when he or she does this..ROFL...

have a great day..
 
BRAM,

Please forgive me for hijacking your thread, but I have been wondering this; Why does the Gunting have such a short blade, and not one of 4 inches, or maybe even alittle longer than 4"?
 
Don't want to speak for Bram, but I know he's talked about wanting to keep it "legal" in as many places as possible, and "less than 4 inches" is a pretty common legal limit for blade length.
 
Originally posted by Ric24581
Don't want to speak for Bram, but I know he's talked about wanting to keep it "legal" in as many places as possible, and "less than 4 inches" is a pretty common legal limit for blade length.
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Yes, I understand that, but isn't the Gunting's blade 2&7/8 inches "long"?...Add another inch, and it's still "legal" at a hair under 4 inches. After-all, Spyderco doesn't seem to have a problem with the Police model having a 4&1/8 inch-long "illegal" blade...
 
I seem to recall several threads that stated many, large urban areas have a sub-three inch legal length. My feeling is that it keeps the Gunting legal in those areas where it may "have" to be used more often. But, of course, one can't escape the reality of short knife is beaten by long knife, which is beaten by short sword, which is beaten by long sword, ad nauseum.
Having said that, I won't carry my Gunting until I have some training. Right now my Chinook or Ayoob feel more "comfortable."
Bram are you coming to Connecticut anytime soon?
-SB
 
While were asking; Are you coming to Southwest Texas anytime soon, are there any instructors in SW Texas?

Thanks,

Pachucks
 
You might want to actually measure the blade if you think it's under three inches. The sharpened part may be, but the blade itself is a tad over three inches. I make mine 3 1/8...not that it matters in Texas.:)

Any training opportunities coming in Southeast Texas?
 
OK the original specs call for it to be,,UNDER 3 inches..2 7/8ths..
thats what I designed..
I'm not getting into this 4 inch discussion anymore..
Check the archives here..on BF..theres lots of discussion about it.and I'm sure you were privy to it..
IF you wewren't then check the archives..many well thought out pros and cons on my thinking of under three inches..
yes the comments are correct..I wanted a "common pocket knife" by all statutues and legal opinions..et al....
and I don't care if there's places that still allow 4" or just under 4" ...
no offense ,,but What's that got to do with anything??????
What is important is the changing of the view....
There's many places that have lowered the legal size to 2.5...
NYC, Boston for example..others are following suit...
and I guess I could have the computer change the laser and presto..
Gunting ala 2.5"....
As it stands.. a bigger blade is not going to be..
its supposed to be UNDER 3 "...2 7/8..
OK?????
( OK..OK..the custom made STRIDER Gunting will be at or just OVER 4"...of course it is a custom limited run and its a typical STRIDER..cuts through a tank..definately not an EDC...)

I happen to like the SPYDERCO size ALOT....
Thats why I designed them that way...
If the computer -laser is cutting them not correctly..then I guess we need to modify immediately and double check..
and I thank you for the re-measurement...
I will notify Spyderco...

THanks..

Bram

OK Edit Time:
I just checked the engineering protos..definately 2 7/8th..UNDER three very clearly..
I just checked the first run Guntings..I have several over the first few hundred numbers..all are 2 7/8ths to maybe 3" if one fudges with the ruler..
Now on the current run..I did find one before that if its measured from NOT the farthest point to the farthest point of the arc of the guard..it makes it over three by a bit..3 and almost an 8th..3 1/8th"
Soo I ust went hrough a bunch of them, pulling them from their boxes and measuring...if I measure from highest point forward on the guard..right infront of the pivot and continue in a direct line to the tip of the blade I get three..yes 3" exactly..still not over yet its not UNDER as I want..
Geee I guess you guys got a BIGGER Gunting blade out of Spyderco WITHOUT my knowing till I get it fixed..ROFL...
be safe..

OK maybe back to the thread of usage..
Unless you guys don't care.
 
Sorry for the diversion, Bram. I am interested in the usage of the Gunting. I want to know as much as possible so that when you come to Connecticut (hint, hint) you won't need to explain the basics again!;)

-SB (Jim)
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I think the law in Connecticut is a "cutting edge" of under 4 inches. Check your local ordances as the verbage may read cutting-edge and not overall blade length. So Gunting may indeed be sub-3 inches on cutting edge.
 
Rudder,
In addition do not give him,your elbow,shoulder arm,hand, ear or neck! Smart thing to do is push someone else out to be demo'd on!!:D
jim
 
I hope Bram is coming back to this thread. I don't want him to think we don't want to learn.
-SB
 
Mick: glad you are OK..thought you might have dropped off the face of the earth..ROFL..
Feel free to call me @ home..talk. whatever....
if you don't have the number..email me @ home...

Sharp Bits..My mother is trying to get me to come up to Connecticut this September..then Oct then November....
In November she goes back to florida..sno bird type stuff..

in Accessing the Gunting tool..basic instinctive skills are used..Babies grab..not let go..So one grabs the tool..GOT IT!
OK gross motor skill..holding on for dear life..
Then you cover..that's right another gross motor skill..cover your face and head..hands up elbows down..a very very safe position..
if the bad guy is really good he or she will bring the offensive tool right to you..Bam Bam Bam..jab jab jab..whatever...
then by doing the get away get way gross motor skill you beat the bad guys offensive tool thats closest to your defensive sphere..
Like pounding or hammering the ramp into the closest hand of the bad guy..

ahh the "i''l never give you a finger!"..OK sure..I'll pound your hand to a pulp ( or your arm, or your chest....)and then you'll do the get way pushing whatever and in that moment" BAM" I got your fingers or thumb..given freely within the flow of combat...again gross motor skill of grabbing whatever is in your grasp..ohhhhh very hard to do..NOT!.....

then I'll kick, throw, jam n slam and beat the stuffings out of te bad guy..ooops is that PC?

have a great day!

Bram
 
I remeasured my live blade, it is also 3 1/8ths " to the handle , but the cutting surface is 2 7/8ths ". I don't think there is any difference between the new and old Guntings. Mine is an OLD one.

:)
 
Thanks for your posts Bram...every bit of info helps...I hope I "get it" when I start training...don't want to have a tough time understanding all the concepts...

Besides gunting-museum.com can you recommend any other good online sources for reading material on the Gunting and it's philosophies? (besides any of the forums I mean)
 
BOK,
Don't worry my friend,you will "get it" when you start with Bram!:D :D !You're gonna have fun!I'm trying to make time to visit him in Clearwater,love to watch him teach the G, even if it's on me!!
He really is a nice guy & teacher!
jim
 
Thanks Jim...your posts regarding the 'G' have always been very supportive...

Seems you really love your Gunting!!!
 
Originally posted by BOK

Besides gunting-museum.com can you recommend any other good online sources for reading material on the Gunting and it's philosophies? (besides any of the forums I mean)
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Yeah, I would like to know also. Its good to do some reading before the physical training.
 
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