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Gunting ?
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I would view the Gunting as a special purpose defense knife but, since it has a blade with an edge, you can certainly cut things with it. It is not really a small knife. It has a pretty hefty (albeit short) blade and handle. The knife is designed to be used as a weapon even when it's closed so that helps give you the idea. We sell many of them to martial artists.
If you like Spyderco, the product line has a pretty broad assortment of utility knives of virtually any size and shape and price. I'm like you since I like Spydercos and collect them myself. Peruse the line. There are lots of options. Take care.
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Fred
Knife Outlet
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If you like Spyderco, the product line has a pretty broad assortment of utility knives of virtually any size and shape and price. I'm like you since I like Spydercos and collect them myself. Peruse the line. There are lots of options. Take care.
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Fred
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The gunting is a terrific utility knife. The handle gives you a lot of grip, and the ramp makes it easy to choke up on the blade. The blade comes super sharp, and appears to be very tough and have good tip strength. I really like the ergonomics. The compression lock is very nice.
I wouldn't say the knife is small. The handle is big, and the blade is a decent size. However, the ramp prevents the blade from going more than about 2 - 2 1/2" into things.
The kinetic opening feature is really cool. If you get a gunting - make SURE you get a trainer. The kinetic opening is so cool, that you'll try it on all sorts of things. Unfortunately, with the live blade, often the things on which you try it out will require a trip to the emergency room.
That being said, I just traded my gunting for a civilian. Why? I don't have a trainer. I know for a fact that I would eventually get myself good in the leg or arm. If I could afford a trainer, all the tapes, and had enough time to make use of them all, I would still have it. However, for now, I need something a that requires less training.
I did not like the carry posisition with the clip at all. The darned horn sticks out a couple inches. In the front pocket of jeans, it'll ocasionally catch on things you pass by, and sometimes open partially. I found that it was most comfortable in my back pocket on the right side - that way the horn faced in and didn't stick out. I doubt you could carry it in the waist band, unless you wear some kind of very different pants, and even then, it would be difficult to sit down without it sticking out. I almost wish it was tip up, so you could pull some emerson "wave"-like openings.
Overall, I like the gunting. Get one of the nifty break away sheaths for it, and all the other accessories, and you'll probably get hooked permamently. Problem is, the gunting runs about $115, the trainer $115, the tapes $99, the sheath $? (can't remember, seems like $25 or so), etc. Nice knife, very useful, but I can't think of a situation I would need a non-lethal response to that couldn't be covered by pepper spray and a lot of running. If you're a LEO or a bouncer or something similar, it could come in handy.
If you're looking for utility and comfort of carry, go for a vesuvius, a pioneer II, or one of the benchmade axis locks. The gunting is a really cool knife, but without the training and accessories - spent most of it's time on my desk and not in my pocket.
-- Rob
PS - I did learn a little about pressure points, though. D@mn, does it hurt/sting/make things go numb when you hit the right spot. Amazing.
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I wouldn't say the knife is small. The handle is big, and the blade is a decent size. However, the ramp prevents the blade from going more than about 2 - 2 1/2" into things.
The kinetic opening feature is really cool. If you get a gunting - make SURE you get a trainer. The kinetic opening is so cool, that you'll try it on all sorts of things. Unfortunately, with the live blade, often the things on which you try it out will require a trip to the emergency room.
That being said, I just traded my gunting for a civilian. Why? I don't have a trainer. I know for a fact that I would eventually get myself good in the leg or arm. If I could afford a trainer, all the tapes, and had enough time to make use of them all, I would still have it. However, for now, I need something a that requires less training.
I did not like the carry posisition with the clip at all. The darned horn sticks out a couple inches. In the front pocket of jeans, it'll ocasionally catch on things you pass by, and sometimes open partially. I found that it was most comfortable in my back pocket on the right side - that way the horn faced in and didn't stick out. I doubt you could carry it in the waist band, unless you wear some kind of very different pants, and even then, it would be difficult to sit down without it sticking out. I almost wish it was tip up, so you could pull some emerson "wave"-like openings.
Overall, I like the gunting. Get one of the nifty break away sheaths for it, and all the other accessories, and you'll probably get hooked permamently. Problem is, the gunting runs about $115, the trainer $115, the tapes $99, the sheath $? (can't remember, seems like $25 or so), etc. Nice knife, very useful, but I can't think of a situation I would need a non-lethal response to that couldn't be covered by pepper spray and a lot of running. If you're a LEO or a bouncer or something similar, it could come in handy.
If you're looking for utility and comfort of carry, go for a vesuvius, a pioneer II, or one of the benchmade axis locks. The gunting is a really cool knife, but without the training and accessories - spent most of it's time on my desk and not in my pocket.
-- Rob
PS - I did learn a little about pressure points, though. D@mn, does it hurt/sting/make things go numb when you hit the right spot. Amazing.
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yup..there's people using the Gunting exclusively as an EDC...
It doesn't have to be a Self Defense knife..I mean it does have a hole..it IS a Spyderco...
yes..it certainly can be used closed and yes it does have a Kin-Op system..
I know plenty of rescue & Fire Rescue that carry...no thought of selfdefense..They can easily open it even while wearing gloves..the ramp keeps the blade away from the cutting surface which in their case is a usually a live patient...
Hugh Fuller carries it as a utility knife due to ease of use of the handle and the ability to open it wih the ramp..and that it meets the standard of a pockt knife in Washington,DC..
The handle is very ergonomic..you really won't slip on it..
The blade is only 2 7/8ths...its Delica size..you get great leverage..
Nemo over in France uses it as a utility knife..
Its not like a Civilian which has little or no utlity pupose to its design...
it cuts regular stuff...
Have a great day.
It doesn't have to be a Self Defense knife..I mean it does have a hole..it IS a Spyderco...
yes..it certainly can be used closed and yes it does have a Kin-Op system..
I know plenty of rescue & Fire Rescue that carry...no thought of selfdefense..They can easily open it even while wearing gloves..the ramp keeps the blade away from the cutting surface which in their case is a usually a live patient...
Hugh Fuller carries it as a utility knife due to ease of use of the handle and the ability to open it wih the ramp..and that it meets the standard of a pockt knife in Washington,DC..
The handle is very ergonomic..you really won't slip on it..
The blade is only 2 7/8ths...its Delica size..you get great leverage..
Nemo over in France uses it as a utility knife..
Its not like a Civilian which has little or no utlity pupose to its design...
it cuts regular stuff...
Have a great day.
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Of the knives I own, I'd suggest 2 for general utility, not necessarily in any order.
The Spyderco Native is a very versatile knife. If you buy the FRN handle -- Zytel -- you'll get a terrific grip pattern, and a multi-position handle and grip. The blade has the potential to be useful for self-defense should that prove necessary. The wide, unusually ground blade is made from CPM440V, one of the top stainless steels around. Because it has a reversible clip, it is completely ambidextrous. Last, it is a quality made knife.
The other knife is the REKAT Pioneer II. I have the old Pioneer, and it is a good knife. A couple kinks were worked out for the 2nd generation, and it is an extremely stout, strong knife, with a good lock. It truly feels like a fixed blade when locked.
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Asi es la vida
Bugs
The Spyderco Native is a very versatile knife. If you buy the FRN handle -- Zytel -- you'll get a terrific grip pattern, and a multi-position handle and grip. The blade has the potential to be useful for self-defense should that prove necessary. The wide, unusually ground blade is made from CPM440V, one of the top stainless steels around. Because it has a reversible clip, it is completely ambidextrous. Last, it is a quality made knife.
The other knife is the REKAT Pioneer II. I have the old Pioneer, and it is a good knife. A couple kinks were worked out for the 2nd generation, and it is an extremely stout, strong knife, with a good lock. It truly feels like a fixed blade when locked.
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Asi es la vida
Bugs
As Bram has said, I carry mine daily as a utility knife. I work in Washington, DC, with its 3" blade law, so I can't carry annything longer, but the arthritis ni my hands requires a large hilt and very ergonomic "controls", both of which the Gunting possesses in spades. The only suggestions that I can make are that, if you are serious about it as a utility knife and not a martial arts blade, you do not need the practice red knife nor all of the tapes, but DO get the tape, "Spyderco Introduces the Gunting by Bram Frank". When I bought mine from Terry Prichard, he insisted that I buy that tape as well, ans I now know why. It shows you all of the tricks that the knife will do, but that isn't the point. What it reall does is to show you what NOT to do. Almost every accident of which I have read could have been avoided by paying attention to this tape. If you are ever tempted to use the knife in its martial blade form, then you MUST get the practice model, or you and others are in for some serious hurt, as the tape will show you. This is a very sophisticated tool that requires great respect, but when given that respect, responds wonderfully.
By the way, it is absolutely necessary to keep the pivot screw tighter on this model than on most Spydies, as the "horn" tends to catch on your hand as you reach into your pocket and I could visualize a major problem resulting if the blade was too loose.
The only problem that I have encountered with using the knife as a utility knife is that its appearance tends to startle non-knife, and even some knife, people rather much. It does have an intimidating appearance.
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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
By the way, it is absolutely necessary to keep the pivot screw tighter on this model than on most Spydies, as the "horn" tends to catch on your hand as you reach into your pocket and I could visualize a major problem resulting if the blade was too loose.
The only problem that I have encountered with using the knife as a utility knife is that its appearance tends to startle non-knife, and even some knife, people rather much. It does have an intimidating appearance.
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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller