Hammer or hammerless??? ...............

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randucci

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I am looking at getting a Ruger SP101 and it comes in a hammer and hammerless model, anyone have some plus and minus of each?


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hammerless - less chance of snagging when using as pocket carry.
hammer - able to use as single or double action.
 
I carry a smith 442 hammerless, If need be you can even shoot it inside your coat or pants pocket without getting the hammer snagged up on something. The ruger is nice but pretty heavy compared to an airweight smith. Just thought I'd throw that in for you to think about. The smith is also nice to carry in the summer with shorts and such, being lightweight.
 
for carry, hammerless all the way, for plinking and target shooting with hammer.
also, the hammer can also be bobbed, and makes a happy medium if you want both.
I would also recommend the smith scandium frames, if you are willing to cough up that much cash, but only for carry purposes.
 
d762nato said:
I carry a smith 442 hammerless, If need be you can even shoot it inside your coat or pants pocket without getting the hammer snagged up on something. The ruger is nice but pretty heavy compared to an airweight smith. Just thought I'd throw that in for you to think about. The smith is also nice to carry in the summer with shorts and such, being lightweight.
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Shoot it from inside your coat? And you watch your front sight how? :confused: What professional with credentials teaches this? :confused::confused:

Yager said:
for carry, hammerless all the way, for plinking and target shooting with hammer.
also, the hammer can also be bobbed, and makes a happy medium if you want both.
I would also recommend the smith scandium frames, if you are willing to cough up that much cash, but only for carry purposes.
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Hammerless, bobbed, or even deburred are options. I have an SP-101 that went to Gemini Customs and, among other things, went with the last option. I have no regrets, but there isn't really "only one right answer." It pretty much comes down to personal preference.
 
I think one main reason for the spurless hammer, is for no snag pocket carry. If you think you might carry it that way, go spurless. A lot of people recommend DAO for a defensive carry gun. Thats what you have without the Hammer Spur.
 
on_the_edge said:
Shoot it from inside your coat? And you watch your front sight how? :confused: What professional with credentials teaches this? :confused::confused:



Hammerless, bobbed, or even deburred are options. I have an SP-101 that went to Gemini Customs and, among other things, went with the last option. I have no regrets, but there isn't really "only one right answer." It pretty much comes down to personal preference.
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This is in a dire situation up close of the worst kind, no front sight needed. Oh you want my wallet sure its in this pocket let me get it for you. Bang!!! :eek:
But I guess if its like that I could always use one of my knives i carry on me.
 
on_the_edge said:
Shoot it from inside your coat? And you watch your front sight how? :confused: What professional with credentials teaches this? :confused::confused:



Hammerless, bobbed, or even deburred are options. I have an SP-101 that went to Gemini Customs and, among other things, went with the last option. I have no regrets, but there isn't really "only one right answer." It pretty much comes down to personal preference.
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I once saw Bob Mundon shoot a nickle at 200 yds OVER a mountain from inside of his coat pocket with a J-frame. ;)

C'mon OTE. There ARE situations when the BG is right next to you, possibly through no fault of your own. It's not that you WANT to be firing that way, but nice to know that you can.

THAT said, I carry my pocket carry peese in my PANTS pocket and never carry in a jacket pocket. Lost too many other things that have fallen out of them over my lifetime. ;)
 
I talked to a Dealer at a Gun Show about a case of road rage in Utah where

a guy didnt know he cut someone off...pulled into a parking lot.The armed

enraged man demanded the other man get out(so he could shoot him).Other

shot enraged man thru the door of his truck..killed him.I dont know if he had

a hammerless gun or not.There were witnesses.Shooter was not charged

:thumbup::thumbup:
 
Dennis in MA said:
I once saw Bob Mundon shoot a nickle at 200 yds OVER a mountain from inside of his coat pocket with a J-frame. ;)

C'mon OTE. There ARE situations when the BG is right next to you, possibly through no fault of your own. It's not that you WANT to be firing that way, but nice to know that you can.

THAT said, I carry my pocket carry peese in my PANTS pocket and never carry in a jacket pocket. Lost too many other things that have fallen out of them over my lifetime. ;)
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Dennis, I do respect your opinion and I think I understand your perspective, but what you suggest is simply not practical in my book. If you knew that you were going to need your gun today to save your life or that of someone else, and you knew that speed and accuracy were determinative in the outcome, would you really choose to carry your gun in your pocket? Wouldn't a holster be preferable? What if there was a chance that something in the pocket, or even the pocket itself, got between the firing pin and hammer making a discharge impossible? Do you really believe you'd have a second chance to get it right?

When it comes down to it and things are getting crazy, we react as we are trained. To me, that means carrying the same gun in the same place day after day with lots of drills and practice in drawing and firing, hoping of course that we will never need to use those skills. Please don't take this the wrong way, but do you honestly practice every day shooting a pistol from inside your pocket? Also, what about the increased likelihood of hitting an innocent bystander because you're literally "shooting from the hip" with a short barreled gun you can't even see never mind accurately aim with under the circumstances?
 
You guys are gonna get this thing moved if you aren't careful... I have lots of love for the 442, it is really a fantastic CCW piece.

But having owned a SP101, I can say that pocket carry is NOT a preferable option for CCW. Sure, it's possible... but it is a very stout revolver, and much heavier than it's diminutive J frame cousin. IWB or OWB is the way to carry the SP101.

The SP101's are great... I slicked mine up quite a bit with a bit of dremel work to the guts. A little polishing in there makes a huge difference. Here is a nice tutorial on it... it's easier than it looks, and will make a huge difference. ;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-174831.html

Oh.. forgot to vote... Go with the hammer. I think I read somewhere that you have a grinder ;) you can take the spur off anytime you like. BTW... the spur does need deburring generally. It's pretty sharp around the edges.
 
kdstrick said:
You guys are gonna get this thing moved if you aren't careful... I have lots of love for the 442, it is really a fantastic CCW piece.

But having owned a SP101, I can say that pocket carry is NOT a preferable option for CCW. Sure, it's possible... but it is a very stout revolver, and much heavier than it's diminutive J frame cousin. IWB or OWB is the way to carry the SP101.

The SP101's are great... I slicked mine up quite a bit with a bit of dremel work to the guts. A little polishing in there makes a huge difference. Here is a nice tutorial on it... it's easier than it looks, and will make a huge difference. ;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-174831.html

Oh.. forgot to vote... Go with the hammer. I think I read somewhere that you have a grinder ;) you can take the spur off anytime you like. BTW... the spur does need deburring generally. It's pretty sharp around the edges.
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Thanks for the link, I'll have to check it out.

Thanks for the info so far guys.

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I always liked the options the hammer provides but I'm old school. I knew a dude who John Wayne'd from inside his pants pocket and now he's a Waynette!
 
I've got the Ruger SP101 with the hammer and carry it in a Don Hume IWB comfortably. I'm used to SA shooting anyway and it comes naturally when needed.
 
Barbarossa said:
I always liked the options the hammer provides but I'm old school. I knew a dude who John Wayne'd from inside his pants pocket and now he's a Waynette!
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Yeah that would make a Shela huh! I typically carry mine on my hip in a holster. If you had it in your pants pocket you definitely want to make sure its pointed the right direction. :eek: It just just something I read about Massad A. doing this if need be. Hammerless is my vote though for self defense carry. Good luck with your choice though. :thumbup:
 
I prefer a hammer, bobbed is fine. Unless you are going to pocket carry most of the time.
 
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There is a school of thought that bobbing a full hammer to a bobbed configuration may lighten the hammer where proper ignition may not occur.

There is a replacement mainspring (or perhaps it was a mainspring adjustment) available for many models to overcome this issue.

There are some circumstances where drawing, aiming and firing may waste precious seconds, and a pocketed (pants less likely for most, but a coat pocket being more likely) shot could mean the difference of who walks away.

Little more natural looking than a person walking with a coat on with at least one hand in their coat pocket.

A 642 (Centennial with fully enclosed hammer) or a 638 (Bodyguard with a shrouded hammer) offer the pocket shot option with little/no fear of the hammer being snagged by material on downward travel.

The 638 offers both single and double action options, as the hammer is shrouded, and the spur can still be engaged for single action shots.

Remember too, a pocket shot is likely to ignite the surrounding material, so don't be too surprised...

YMMV
 
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