Hand Conditioning Stuff

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What do some of you FMA folks do for hand conditioning/toughening other than a Makiwara board?

Specifically for open hand techniques like Slaps, backhands, bent wrist strikes, etc. etc.


Thanks!
 
Pete,

You already have everything you need ... your hands and your tire dummy.

Work your tire dummy the way you would a heavy bag using your various empty hand techniques ... starting off slowly and turning up the intensity as your hands become conditioned. Until your hands get conditioned, you can wear bag gloves for a more intense tire dummy work out.

There is also a hanging tire dummy that you can build that will give a work out with a different energy and emphasis. Let me know if you're interested and I'll post a description & directions on how to build.

Also, if you can find a good Dit Da Jow, it will help. IMHO, most of the commercial stuff is crap btw. Of the ones I've tried, the 3 best (as far as I could tell) were not commercially available.

Are you still planning to come work out with us soon? Would love to have you out and I could show you the hanging tire dummy too. Let me know.

Respectfully,

Dave Fulton
 
Dave,

Thanks for the reply, I have been doing a "bit" of work with "Mrs. Kee-Kah" as my youngest calls the vertical tire dummy.

Being somewhat of a sissy, the "work the next day" syndrome applies to me also :D , the bag gloves are still being used.

I'm focusing on the three basic angles that were learned at the seminar combined with low kicks & "push hands" for lack of a better, more defined technical term.

Hands, short stick, trainers, Bastons, & my HW live blade are coming along nicely.

On the "Dit Da Jows" I am VERY open to your reccomendations and just read some stuff in the archives by a JF Springer that was quite interesting on the Jow subject. Too bad he did not post the formula........

PLEASE E-mail me with August CMMA class schedule, I'll try to be there next week if possible.
Got a few trips to The Harbor Hospital to bypass though :(
 
in kuntaw there is no such thing as to "toughen a hand. we try to develop three things for what everybody calls toughening. first is how to make a proper fist. the knuckles that are the striking part of the fist has to be in a straight line and very strong. if they are allowed to round, you can injure your hand, and the hit will not be solid. then you have to make up your mind if you will use the first two knuckles or the last three. both are okay, but they have to be trained to be used. when you practice, or THINK, about hitting with the kind of fist you will use, then your hand will make the proper fist automatically and you dont have to think about it. you should be able to open your hand, then quickly closed your hand and make the right fist, already tight, without checking if everything is good (the lining of the knuckles, the wrist is straight, the fist is tight).

the second part is the strength of your hands, wrist, forearm, and fingers. we do this by opening and closeing the hand more than 100 times each set. you can do it fast or slow. but the more you practice this movement the stronger your important parts they become. those parts must be strong enough to pack the bones together for a fist thats like a brick (instead of a fist thats like a piece of meat, which is most people out there). also, if your bones move when you make contact, that takes away from your hit.

the last part is the mental part of using the fist. you have to hit things, soft and hard, so you get use to making that kind of contact. if you dont, your wrist might buckle, you might not form the fist in time, and the pain will shock you. another important part is learning to ignore the pain, which never really goes away only how you can ignore it. you can do this by hitting a flexible object like a wood fence, or a young tree. they are hard surface, but they give, just like when you hit a man. its not the same as you hitting a solid thing that wont move. but your mind has to get use to hitting things.

when you do all of that, you will feel like your hands are weapons. the difference in the guy whos fist feels like a dangerous weapon when he closed it, and the guy who just punches pads and learns combos and drills, is that the man who made his fist into a weapon is not going to need one, because he carries one everywhere he goes. since he did so much damage with them before he doesnt carry a fear, and doesnt have to think about "what if i use it? what will happen to me?" the guy who hits the pad have to carry knives and brass knuckle to feel safe on the street, but he is still scared to use it. the one with the "tough" hands has nothing to hide behind.

oh yeah i forgot that your stick training will make your forearm, wrist and hands strong for fighting too. try this, in three minutes, swing 150 powerful stick strikes, any number. when you can do that then do it in 2 minutes. and then try three rounds of that, your arm should feel like a stree branch.
 
Thekuntawman,

Do you like, or advocate any of the comercial grip exerciser tools?

What do like to build grip strenght?

-Seth
 
Dave,

I am very interested in making a tire dummy. I was going to build it by ear but if you have good directions I would be very interested in them.

Thanks
 
Bandit,

if this works click here,
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163576

or go back to July 28th and take a look at the CMMA tire dummy.

Mine (slightly different than pix) has a 4x4 center post, with 2x4's bolted to it the post sits in a drywall bucket full of red bag Sacrete which is bolted to the plywood base, and then a cardboard liner was placed inside the tires and the remainder of space filled with more Sacrete. about 150 lbs worth of cement
Tires are drywall screwed to the base, and screwed and glued with building adhesive to each other for my kicking base.
The standing tires are affixed with 2 - 8" long 1/2" diameter bolts: heads inside tires with LARGE fender washers for support.
Last for mine was a 10 time wrap of 1/4" sisal rope from "Big Lots" to hold the tires a bit more snugly to the post, and a wrap between the two tires.

Does this make sense?


This style dummy REALLY rocks for training, and there is VERY little you cannot do with it.:D :D


Kelvin & Kuntawman,

Thanks for the tips they are much appreciated
 
hi seth. i do like those hand grips exercisers, but each kind of exercise does something different. so i suggest you can use all of them, but for me i prefer to use simple things, like when you ring out a wet towel, perform 100 strong abaniko strikes, open and close my fist, or lift a shovel by the end of the handle, or many more exercises. but i have the regular hand grips and i carry them in my car for rush our traffic and long lights or when i am just bored. i see one in ringside magazine which has a pump on it and its for your forearm, but its too expensive, and i can use a 20-35 pound weight and do wrist curls with them and get the same thing.

another good one is when you work on your car, use the ratchet only to break a bolt, but use your hands or even just the little piece to take off lugs and nuts by hand, when you finish the job your hands got a really good workout from that. also washing clothes by hand. if you have the time (and extra soap) doing a couple piece at a time, your clothes get cleaned better anyway, but your hands and forearms get good and strong from that. just look at any old lady hands (if she has kids and grand kids) her hands might even be stronger than yours! ;)
 
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