Handle/Tang fit on the Beckers?

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Anthony Lombardo's review of a Becker Brute brought up the way the tang of the knife is not exactly fit to the handle scales. Is this the way this model is shipped in general? How far does the tang emerge?

My Machax and Magnum both exhibit less than perfect handle/tang fit.

Is this an error in production that I should send back, or is the regular state of the knife?

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Marion David Poff aka Eye, Cd'A ID, USA mdpoff@hotmail.com

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MDP,
Let me say that it is our intention for you to be happy with your purchase of a BK&T product. Before I answer your question, allow me to provide a little background.

The BK&T line is intended to give the customer high performance, at a price that will not inhibit folks from actually using them. I'm a personal fan of custom cutlery, and not afraid of taking some of my handmades to the field, but many will either not be able to afford some custom knives, or not feel comfortable really 'turning it loose' with a custom knife that they waited months to get and spent big $$$ on. I can understand this, with many 'large handmade choppers' approaching the price range that relates to a car payment, are you sure you want to dig a stuck tractor out with the blade[did that this summer with a BRUTE...not a pretty picture, I had mud all over me, but we got the tractor out of the creek bottoms
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We really wanted to totally coat the steel on the BECKER's. The 0170-6c is a carbon steel, and rusts readily, so we feel that a coating is in order. We use a epoxy based, black powder coat. Its good stuff, and we like it. We wanted it not only on the blade, but on the tang also, as this area is naturally in contact with sweaty hands, and sweat is not carbon steel's friend.

The scales are molded Swiss GV6H. They come out of the mold just as you see them. We set up the laser program that cuts the steel out to match the tang area up to the scales, with any error to be on the 'plus side' for the steel, so that if the tang and the molded scales don't match up exactly[which they rarely do completely around the tang] that the steel tang will be 'higher' that the scales[we are only talking about a couple of a hundredths of an inch]. When the tang is higher than the scales[within reason], if gives minimal to no discomfort. If the scales are higher than the tang, it can be more uncomfortable, so we try to avoid that. We cannot use a beltsander to get a flush fit of the tang to the scales, because that would take the coating off the tang.

On a handmade, custom fixed blade, I would expect a perfect scale to tang fit because even if you wanted a blade coated, you could take the time to fit the scales to the tang first, then coat the blade and put the very same scales black on the knife. Can you imagine fitting a 1000 BK&T's, marking the scales sets, then marking the knives in a way that the powder coat wouldn't cover up, then sending the blades out to be coated and matching up the right knife to the right scales later? But on a custom knife, sure, no problem, besides your paying enough for that kind of product, right?

Unfortunatley, we can't do that kind of cosmetic work on production BK&T's, at the prices that you guys want to buy them for. So.....

To answer your question, its kinda up to you at this point. Does the difference in the scale to tang fit cause discomfort? Do the scales stick up higher than the tang? If you think there is a problem, please contact me via email, and we will make arrangments for you to send it back to us. We will be glad to take a look at it.

Whatever it takes, we want you to be happy swinging you BK&T in the field.

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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery
www.camillusknives.com
 
Will,

Let me say that I am completely satisfied with my knives. I gave a little to trade for both my Machax and Magnum Camp Knife, and I have no regrets.

And my last comment was more rhetorical than anything else.

And I am very impressed with your desire to see the right and honourable thing be done.

I dig what you are saying.

I guess my question is...

Given the current state of machining, is this sort of thing unavoidable?

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Thank you,
Marion David Poff aka Eye, Cd'A ID, USA mdpoff@hotmail.com

>>--->Bill Siegle Custom Knives<---<<
-http://www.geocities.com/siegleknives-

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Fire Page, metal match sources and index of information.

"We will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal, 210 B.C.
 
MDP,
The short answer is yes, its unaviodable at the price of these knives. The kind of seamless fit of the scales to the tang would require blending of the scales to the tang. We could easily do this, but it would REMOVE the coating, and this is not something that is acceptable. We cuold get the scales and the tang CLOSER, but not perfect, with CNC work, but it would raise the cost of the product ALOT, and still not be perfect.

We have chosen to give the customer what we feel is the most performance for the $$$$$. Nobody ever said the BK&T's were pretty, just that they work for a livin'
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Stay Sharp!
Will Fennell
Camillus Cutlery www.camillusknives.com

[This message has been edited by Will Fennell (edited 12-05-2000).]
 
Will, I like mine just the way they are. The small amount of protrusion of the tang kind of feels good to my hands especially since the handle slabs are so "slick". This gives me a little more holding power. If I was designing a knife like the BK&T's I would make that little lip part of my project!

Regards:

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Ron,
Bremerton, Washington
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