Handmade Hickory Haft Help

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Hey you all from NC. I'm new to the forum but have been reading it for quite a while. Started posting in " No unnecessary weight Poll" Thread, and moved to my own here. Basically reposting in hopes of getting some feedback to help me move forward. So I'm wondering if I should scrap both of them (they're spalted) the hickory tree had been out since the spring in an 8' length only this part of the tree was spalted and the wood doesn't feel too soft. I was thinking of trying to stabilize it with ground copper and oil (BLO or Walnut and Carnauba wax). The 15" handle for the broad hatchet may be too small and should be longer. But they r so pretty and feel so good I hate to scrap them before trying them out. Since these are my first homemade hafts, I will accept failure graciously. So I'm thinking kep going and if they get mucked up, I'll just start over again when I have the chance.

I'm gearing up to finish a couple of spalted hickory axe haft's I started carving last weekend. I split the 8' x 4" D tree with a chainsaw and hewed it down past the core to make 2 handles so far. A friend of mine who is into Axes and woodwork and Greenwood work laid it out the longitudnial cut for me. He said the tree was a little small but it would do. He suggested making the whipped base of the log be for my new/old poorly hung R handed broad axe. He also said you will get used to any handle, for what that's worth.

I'm hanging an old plumb hatchet. The Plumb weighs about 2 lb. I think. Cutting edge 3 3/4", the length is 5 3/4", and 2 3/4" poll. I'm guessing 2 lb. with the balance point 3 1/2" from the tip right through the front 1/8" of the eye. I was thinking of hanging it long for a pack axe/to carry in my truck and canoe mostly for bush work. I hewed out a handle that'll be 19-20" straight and thin (7/8" x 1 1/2" unfinished), there's enough stock to do a fawns foot. Is that a good idea on a straight haft?

R handed broad axe 6 1/4" long with 5 1/8" straight blade length, 2 1/4" poll, about the same weight as the plumb maybe a bit heavier. The balance point with a thin s-curved handle is 3 1/4"s from the cutting edge when I balance the side of the blade on a piece of metal. When I hang it with a plumb line from it's current s-curved handle its (the CoG) is closer to the eye. At this point I use it mostly like a carving axe for hewing out these handles/newly sharpened it slices and dices quite nicely with one hand, but it feels really heavy in the front, but doesn't wabble after striking.

Unfortunately I made the bent on a bit on the short side looks like only 14", with a half to 3/8" bow (laterally). This one is also stockier than the other one roughed out in the middle 1 X 1 3/16".

Just thought I'd bounce it off you guys till I have time to talk to Roy Underhill about how to proceed.

If you want to see some pics you can check out my instagram page.
https://www.instagram.com/carabnr/
 
I often find myself choking up on a broad hatchet so I don't think 14" is unreasonable. And having a bit of offset in the haft won't hurt. I have a Stubai (Austrian) broad hatchet with a slightly offset haft. I like it. The haft came originally at about 17" and I re-hung it down to ~15". It's a good length for that tool. The Stubai is the blue one. The other one is a True Temper. They have friction tape on them for grip.

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Thanks Square_peg

For sharing those axes and hewing looks nice! I appreciate your encouragement.
 
I'm afraid I had to stop reading that thread after page three, I got a bit tired of the "who's the biggest dog" competition, so its good that you started another for your specific questions :D

I only glanced at the pics, but I don't see anything wrong with a fawn's foot on a straight handle if you have the material to try it. But then I like trying stuff and seeing how it works - if you don't like it, you can always make another handle :D Its never a waste of time if you learn something from it.

I am a bit curious how spalted wood will last - you may find it too weak for a good handle. Though spalting can be pretty, it is something I associate with a sub-grade handle for a working tool. I may be wrong about that of course, just something I've never seen or tried myself so I'm making an assumption.
 
Straight handles have been made with Fawn's hoofs and I personally like the idea. I'm planning to try one myself on about a 16" hatchet, and perhaps a double bit in the future as well depending on how I like it. The spalting in that wood looks amazing in my opinion. Hopefully it holds up. It's probably still stronger than my Pear wood handle that I finished up recently. Time will tell how it will hold up. I can't comment on the hewing axe as I don't own one myself personally, though I need to pick one up for future projects.
 
Thanks for your thoughts Serotina and Hacked.... I'm thinking of finishing them up some now and leaving more at the butt of the handle to adjust balance (if possible).

Any thoughts on the plumb hatchet. It had a really old 15" handle with a metal wedge. Is that a take up wedge, I read about?
I'm gonna take it to the PO to weigh it now. I guess if I go long I can always trim it down.
 
I think a week long soak in BLO cut with mineral spirits followed by a week of cure time might add enough strength to keep those spalted hafts viable. A hatchet handle doesn't experience the shock that a full size axe handle does.
 
Based on the dimensions you gave for the Plumb my guess is that it's a boys axe or 3/4 axe also called a Pulpwood axe in Canada. They generally weigh about 2.25 lbs and are hung on 28" handles with a final length of 26-27". They have also been hung on 18-19" handles for use around the home and refered to as a house axe.

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Boys axe far right, boys axe handle far left.

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House axe.
 
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Just thought I'd bounce it off you guys till I have time to talk to Roy Underhill about how to proceed.
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I have very little to offer, but FWIW - two spalted Hickory socket chisel handles:

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A few years ago I had a few pieces of Hickory firewood. Most of it was too far gone for me to consider making anything out of. These came from the most solid pieces. They were (and still are) hard. No punky spots, so no problems turning. I did not pre-treat the wood and no finish has been used. I suppose the spalting has compromised the strength, but in this application it hasn't shown up. The mortise chisel has taken plenty of good wacks. "Little Stubby" not much.

That's a great job on the handle:

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And speaking of Roy Underhill, I was watching one of his early videos last night about rustic benches. One he called a clave which basically looked like what you have.

Thanks for sharing your pics - neat stuff.

Bob
 
Thanks @Square-peg @Hacked and @RJdankurt

I weighed the head at lunsh and it's about 2 1/4 lb. a boys axe, I guess. So a longer handle is appropriate, yay! I was wondering if I was being a bit of a woos wanting the handle longer than 15", so 20" should be OK. I don't think i want to go bigger for convenience sake, after all it might break and I can always rehang it. If I keep it straight does anyone think I should make the haft more closed for bush work?

I like the idea of soaking in BLO for a while... a full week? Hmm. I might try the copper too after I get it whittled a bit more. You think the spalting will fade if the copper kills it?

Any thoughts on the handle for the Broad Axe? Curved open might move the CoG more forward, Peter Folansbee tends to do that with his.
 
That's a great job on the handle:

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And speaking of Roy Underhill, I was watching one of his early videos last night about rustic benches. One he called a clave which basically looked like what you have.

Thanks for sharing your pics - neat stuff.

Bob

Thanks Bob, I'm really having fun with it. I appreciate u posting my pic cause I'm not to sure how it's supposed to work yet.

Hmm I'll have to check out the video. Roy has a shop nearby where he and other folks teach oldtimey wood working.

Happy wood working.
 
Also Bob your spalted hickory handles are really beautiful. I'm glad they held up. I think that it's a good sign.
 
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Hmm I'll have to check out the video. Roy has a shop nearby where he and other folks teach oldtimey wood working.

Happy wood working.

[video=youtube;9ivLWCjUWI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ivLWCjUWI0[/video]

Bob
 
Thanks for posting this Bob,
I didn't know I made a clave.... I made mine for making Kuksa's, bowls and spoons. I haven't gotten around to putting legs on it cause I've been so busy making spoons, kuksa's and honing tools. I put it on some 2X12's I picked up from a dumpster and put them on my table saw stand. I use it the same way Roy does in this video. I also used it with my axe and draw knife to make my haft's. I have it set in a hole on my deck so I can use it from sitting on the deck or standing on the ground.
 
I like the idea of soaking in BLO for a while... a full week? Hmm. I might try the copper too after I get it whittled a bit more. You think the spalting will fade if the copper kills it?

Any thoughts on the handle for the Broad Axe? Curved open might move the CoG more forward, Peter Folansbee tends to do that with his.

I don't think it will fade. The whole thing will darken somewhat. I would at least soak it a couple days. BLO can strengthen the wood but it needs time to soak in. Thinning the BLO will help. But it'll still take time to soak in all the way. One fellow posted some test results recently and got very good penetration with a week long soak of thinned BLO (I think he thinned with turps).

Curving the handle up to create an open hang is one way to reducing the risk of barking your knuckles. But that is more common on bifacially sharpened hewing axes like a masting axe. Broad hatchets and broad axes sharpened on only one side typically use a bent haft to protect the knuckles. I don't see why you couldn't use a combination of those techniques.
 
Thanks for the low down on that Square-Peg

I've never herd of a masting axe. The haft I have for the hewing hatchet is bent but not much, I don't think it'll be enough to clear my nuckles. One more question. with a bent shaft do you want to try to hang the head canted a little to increase the bend, or the other way to make it more in line with the swing?
 
If you plan on using it for hewing and not just as a 'stump axe' (carver/shaper) then the extra bend will be beneficial. Keep in mind that the more bend you create the more off-balance the hatchet will feel in your hand. It will want to roll and you'll need to counteract that with a constant counter rotational force applied by your wrist and hand. For this reason it's best off the grip isn't too round. A section cut through the grip portion of the haft should be oval.
 
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