Hard Use & my Lessons for the day

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Times being what they are, free beef is good beef. Beef in the freezer means we get to stop eating chicken / pork for a while & that is a thing worth celebrating in itself!

So when a rancher friend called & said he had a cow to get rid of, I was glad to get in. Went down to his place Tues. AM, no help available to speak of this time ... 3 yr old hefer, prolaps.

Right about 8:50 AM the .44 went pop.
By 10:30 was ready to go for the garden hose.
1 hour 35 min. I figure to shoot, hang, gut & skin a full sized cow. My personal best.

One of the more interesting things I learned was about the knives I was using. I used 3 of the knives I had along, 1 was a brand new Buck Alaskan Guide with s30v steel. The second was Dad's old folding Gerber from the 70's with a great edge. #3 was a cheap Cabela's Bargan cave special that I really enjoy for birds. The goal was clean with speed, so no time was taken for touching up an edge. Each knife gave me what it could & then was put aside for another day. (There were a couple more in the car if needed... :p)

The Buck's steel was great. The edge on the S30V lasted for 1/2 the cow (I started with the skin at the neck, and skinned as well as gutted my way down). The bigger issue though was not the steel, but the handle. It was a folder with metal sides & barely rounded edges. By the time it was dull, my hands were raw & club-ish from holding it.

The Gerber wasn't a razor as it can be to start with (hadn't got it really sharpened since the last cow I did for the food bank) ... but it did probably 1/3 of the cow with no complaints. The handle was better, more rounded edges, but still with that kind of work didn't feel great in the hands.

Then there was the dumb little $10 special from Cabelas. Darn if that thing didn't hold its edge, and feel good the whole time, even though it was the last knife I used. Who ever in China made that one got it right.

What I learned... 1) Love the s30V steel for edge holding. 2) For this kind of hard work, the handle is as important as the steel; or more. I'd gladly trade that two blade Buck folder for a nicely radius handle.

God Bless,
 
Nice write-up and thanks for this post! :thumbup:

Glad to see people using their knives for real work and not just another silly "I batoned wood with my Hard Use knife today!" posting.
 
agree it's a great post. Handle is very important (and sheath if a fixed blade). A lot of popular folders are not really designed for comfort, security, and efficient use of energy when it comes to prolonged or hard use.
 
Then there was the dumb little $10 special from Cabelas. Darn if that thing didn't hold its edge, and feel good the whole time, even though it was the last knife I used. Who ever in China made that one got it right.

Yup. For harder tasks some of my cheap blades excel, part of it I think is my shyness for using a more expensive blade for this though.
 
One of the main reasons why fixed blades are better for that type of work and are used most of the time.

Folders aren't really made for comfort under that type of extended use.
 
Great thread! Nice to see one not caught up in this "tactical" thing that is so prevalent; one would think the "wars" are right here in the USA with all the "tactical" stuff floating around. Agree with the fixed blade/folder and, yes, often the "cheap" blades do a Hell of a job; carried a Gerber EZ out for years that did everything I needed!
 
Great thread! Nice to see one not caught up in this "tactical" thing that is so prevalent; one would think the "wars" are right here in the USA with all the "tactical" stuff floating around. Agree with the fixed blade/folder and, yes, often the "cheap" blades do a Hell of a job; carried a Gerber EZ out for years that did everything I needed!


It's really not about being cheap, it just happened that the one that felt best in his hand just happened to be the cheapest one that he used.

A Good Fixed Blade is really hard to beat in a good high wear steel and they aren't cheap.

Most folders today are over designed to look cool, but they just plain suck for any real extended use without gloves.

Usually the cooler they look, the less useful they are for any kind of real work.
 
Interesting post. it makes you wonder now much some of the modern "hard use" tactical knifes with their thin, flat scales are actually used or meant to be used? I agree with Jim re folders, but would go further in saying that I have heard some people jokingly (or not so much) say that some of the more beloved high end hard use folders "have the ergonomics of a steel Twinkie" ;) Obviously, a cow is a very different critter than a hog or deer, but my brother has skinned out two feral hogs (with lots of that good old Central Florida sand stuck in their nasty, furry, hide) in one sitting with one of my W2 hunters with no need for touch up and no "hot spots" from the handle. He has also managed to skin out a nilgai cow and a deer or two with the little stag handled 1084FG hunter that I made him a few years back. I tend to do rounded, sculpted wood handles with no corners on hunters, but a well chosen small stag carver can work just as well. Oddly enough, centuries of experience tells us that any type of ivory may be the best handle material for such activities because it gets sticky instead of slick when you get blood on it, but how many people are going to stick their expensive walrus or mammoth handled knives in some animals guts these days?:D
 
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Interesting post. it makes you wonder now much some of the modern "hard use" tactical knifes with their thin, flat scales are actually used or meant to be used? I agree with Jim re folders, but would go further in saying that I have heard some people jokingly (or not so much) say that some of the more beloved high end hard use folders "have the ergonomics of a steel Twinkie" ;) Obviously, a cow is a very different critter than a hog or deer, but my brother has skinned out two feral hogs (with lots of that good old Central Florida sand stuck in their nasty, furry, hide) in one sitting with one of my W2 hunters with no need for touch up and no "hot spots" from the handle. I tend to do rounded, sculpted handles with no corners.

I have tested a lot of folders..... A lot of folders and I can count on one hand the ones I would use for extended periods of time without gloves. ;)

For knives that will see real use my thoughts have always been the simpler the better (Plain, boring) and smooth handles that are rounded are very nice.
 
:rolleyes:What's up with the whole "combat gloves" thing? They look like golf or batting gloves to me, albeit in boring subdued colors. I guess I was around people who wore green when the only gloves to be found were old leather work gloves that you might use when learning how to rappel or the big asbestos oven mitt that came in the spare barrel bag for your M60.
I have tested a lot of folders..... A lot of folders and I can count on one hand the ones I would use for extended periods of time without gloves. ;)

For knives that will see real use my thoughts have always been the simpler the better (Plain, boring) and smooth handles that are rounded are very nice.
 
:rolleyes:What's up with the whole "combat gloves" thing? They look like golf or batting gloves to me, albeit in boring subdued colors. I guess I was around people who wore green when the only gloves to be found were old leather work gloves that you might use when learning how to rappel or the big asbestos oven mitt that came in the spare barrel bag for your M60.


I really don't know, I use work gloves personally. :D

Mostly wannabe Military types I guess.
 
Thanks for reading & repsonding guys...
I'm pretty simple kind of guy... $20 work gloves ain't going on the inside of $50 cow! I try to keep a set of leather ranch / work gloves around & normally forget I've got them.

Next hunting knife purchase... if there is one, will be a fixed blade / high quality steel... looked at the Buck line, "ergo" I think they called it... BUT $280?? OUCH! Gonna have to think how to justify that one to the misses! I could almost buy that foot / trip hammer for that price!

"Admire a tall horse, saddle a short one"... always like working with fixed blades, but ended up aquire folders because they pack easier when headed back in to the rough country. But, pretty is as pretty does... gonna take some thinking.

God Bless,
 
$280? Of you want to spend that much, give me a call.:D Seriously, for that kind of money, you are well into the custom knife realm.
Thanks for reading & repsonding guys...
I'm pretty simple kind of guy... $20 work gloves ain't going on the inside of $50 cow! I try to keep a set of leather ranch / work gloves around & normally forget I've got them.

Next hunting knife purchase... if there is one, will be a fixed blade / high quality steel... looked at the Buck line, "ergo" I think they called it... BUT $280?? OUCH! Gonna have to think how to justify that one to the misses! I could almost buy that foot / trip hammer for that price!

"Admire a tall horse, saddle a short one"... always like working with fixed blades, but ended up aquire folders because they pack easier when headed back in to the rough country. But, pretty is as pretty does... gonna take some thinking.

God Bless,
 
Thanks for reading & repsonding guys...
I'm pretty simple kind of guy... $20 work gloves ain't going on the inside of $50 cow! I try to keep a set of leather ranch / work gloves around & normally forget I've got them.

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Thes work too....but they are pricy.

n2s
 
i'm a cook and it would be fascinating if you wouldn't mind taking pictures or even a video of the process next time i would really enjoy seeing how its done and everything that in advance
 
Times being what they are, free beef is good beef. Beef in the freezer means we get to stop eating chicken / pork for a while & that is a thing worth celebrating in itself!

So when a rancher friend called & said he had a cow to get rid of, I was glad to get in. Went down to his place Tues. AM, no help available to speak of this time ... 3 yr old hefer, prolaps.

Right about 8:50 AM the .44 went pop.
By 10:30 was ready to go for the garden hose.
1 hour 35 min. I figure to shoot, hang, gut & skin a full sized cow. My personal best.

One of the more interesting things I learned was about the knives I was using. I used 3 of the knives I had along, 1 was a brand new Buck Alaskan Guide with s30v steel. The second was Dad's old folding Gerber from the 70's with a great edge. #3 was a cheap Cabela's Bargan cave special that I really enjoy for birds. The goal was clean with speed, so no time was taken for touching up an edge. Each knife gave me what it could & then was put aside for another day. (There were a couple more in the car if needed... :p)

The Buck's steel was great. The edge on the S30V lasted for 1/2 the cow (I started with the skin at the neck, and skinned as well as gutted my way down). The bigger issue though was not the steel, but the handle. It was a folder with metal sides & barely rounded edges. By the time it was dull, my hands were raw & club-ish from holding it.

The Gerber wasn't a razor as it can be to start with (hadn't got it really sharpened since the last cow I did for the food bank) ... but it did probably 1/3 of the cow with no complaints. The handle was better, more rounded edges, but still with that kind of work didn't feel great in the hands.

Then there was the dumb little $10 special from Cabelas. Darn if that thing didn't hold its edge, and feel good the whole time, even though it was the last knife I used. Who ever in China made that one got it right.

What I learned... 1) Love the s30V steel for edge holding. 2) For this kind of hard work, the handle is as important as the steel; or more. I'd gladly trade that two blade Buck folder for a nicely radius handle.

God Bless,

Great review! It's refreshing to see someone using a knife for real work instead of cutting up random stuff in a back yard.

One of the main reasons why fixed blades are better for that type of work and are used most of the time.

Folders aren't really made for comfort under that type of extended use.


It's really not about being cheap, it just happened that the one that felt best in his hand just happened to be the cheapest one that he used.

A Good Fixed Blade is really hard to beat in a good high wear steel and they aren't cheap.

Most folders today are over designed to look cool, but they just plain suck for any real extended use without gloves.

Usually the cooler they look, the less useful they are for any kind of real work.

I do all of my cutting exclusively with folders, without gloves on. I have not found them to be "less useful for real work." I've used everything from cheap hardware store stockmen and lockback hunters to mid-range Spyderco and Kershaws. They have worked just fine for extended cutting without gloves on...

I have tested a lot of folders..... A lot of folders and I can count on one hand the ones I would use for extended periods of time without gloves. ;)

For knives that will see real use my thoughts have always been the simpler the better (Plain, boring) and smooth handles that are rounded are very nice.

I've actually used a lot of folders and prefer them over fixed blades for convenience. I haven't used a fixed blade that has cut well except for the small Victorinox paring knives and Dexter Russell boning knives for cutting fish. (hundreds at a time)

Thanks for reading & repsonding guys...
I'm pretty simple kind of guy... $20 work gloves ain't going on the inside of $50 cow! I try to keep a set of leather ranch / work gloves around & normally forget I've got them.

Next hunting knife purchase... if there is one, will be a fixed blade / high quality steel... looked at the Buck line, "ergo" I think they called it... BUT $280?? OUCH! Gonna have to think how to justify that one to the misses! I could almost buy that foot / trip hammer for that price!

"Admire a tall horse, saddle a short one"... always like working with fixed blades, but ended up aquire folders because they pack easier when headed back in to the rough country. But, pretty is as pretty does... gonna take some thinking.

God Bless,

I go by that philosophy as well. A folding knife is convenient, you will always have it when you need it. And works just as well as a fixed blade for hard work...
 
I've actually used a lot of folders and prefer them over fixed blades for convenience. I haven't used a fixed blade that has cut well except for the small Victorinox paring knives and Dexter Russell boning knives for cutting fish. (hundreds at a time)


If you haven't used a fixed blade that has cut well except for what you said then you haven't used any really good ones that were made for cutting. ;)

Convenience, yes because folding knives fold so they are easier to carry most of the time.

That said good fixed blades that are made for cutting will make MOST folders seem like you are cutting with bricks instead of a knife.
 
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Ank... I think your last sentence carrys logic, but a double standard...

A GOOD fixed blade vs. MOST folders... Most folders are junk. Most fixed blades are junk (IMHO) built like most fishing lures, to catch fishermen, not fish.
A Good fixed blade will beat most junk... fixed or folder
A good folder will beat most junk... fixed or folder

At least to my thinking, the way the handle is attached isn't the big issue for use; quality steel is quality steel & a well designed handle is comfortable. Perhaps it is more tricky to make a good folder handle comfortable because of the gap...
It does seem to me that more energy & money have been invested in making quality / comfortable working fixed blades... but there are exceptions to ever rule... Buck 110, Older Gerber Magnum folders, etc.

God bless,
 
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