Hardness of Moore Maker 1095?

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I just, this afternoon, got a 2010 Moore Maker Jumbo Stockman. The knife is a piece of work, but taking off the burr and redoing the edge (Sharpmaker...diamond through XF) is a piece of something else alltogether.

The Moore Maker site suggests they are running their 1095 at 56, but I think the new stuff is much harder. Does anyone have any similar experience or better data?
 
Dunno, but a 3 1/2" MM trapper I got several years ago seems to feel more like it's around 58-59 on the stones.
 
I'm pretty sure I have read from 56-58 for MM 1095, but I only have 1 and have never sharpened it, so no personal evidence.
 
Likely there are some differences between manufacturers, I think there are at least three companies making knives for MM.
 
Camillus used to make Moore Maker's inexpensive line, now it's made by Bear and Sons. Queen makes their higher end knives. The guy who sold me my Camillus made Moore Maker 3300s (and used to work for Camillus making knives) said thet could be 1095 or 0170-6C, he didn't know for sure.
 
I just, this afternoon, got a 2010 Moore Maker Jumbo Stockman. The knife is a piece of work, but taking off the burr and redoing the edge (Sharpmaker...diamond through XF) is a piece of something else alltogether.

The Moore Maker site suggests they are running their 1095 at 56, but I think the new stuff is much harder. Does anyone have any similar experience or better data?

I have a MM large (3-7/8") stockman with the same issue - the main blade is almost impossible to sharpen. Mine is a Queen made knife with jigged yellow bone.
 
I have a MM large (3-7/8") stockman with the same issue - the main blade is almost impossible to sharpen. Mine is a Queen made knife with jigged yellow bone.

Mine is a Queen-made model with smooth yellow bone scales. I'm guessing the folks who heat-treat Queen's D2 (which runs hard) also treat the 1095. I'll take some encouragement that I'm not alone dealing with the main blade (I'm making some progress on the spey and sheepsfoot).

Zerogee, I think you are closer to the mark. I'd agree with 58-59.

Thanks for the info all.
 
I have MM knives from a few years back made by both Queen & Camillus. The Queen made 5 blade smooth yellow bone Sowbelly is a great knife and sharpens as expected for 1095.
I prefer the 'older' MooreMaker knives over the most recent ones.
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If the burr removal is the main issue, I don't necessarily think higher hardness plays into that, too much. If anything, greater ductility (ability of steel to deform/bend without breaking) has more to do with that. I've noticed some very stubborn burrs on Case Tru-Sharp stainless blades, and they're only hardened to mid-50s on the RC scale.

Either diamond or silicon carbide (such as wet/dry sandpaper) will make short work of sharpening 1095. Aluminum oxide (ceramics) usually aren't coarse enough for heavy metal removal (re-bevelling), and something like an Arkansas stone may or may not be enough, where the hardness of the steel might come into play.

I have a Moore Maker large sodbuster in 1095, which I reprofiled using a Lansky kit (standard Lansky hones, w/a supplemental 'medium' diamond hone). It was a breeze to get done, and took a razor-sharp edge.

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There've been a lot of posts in the Maint forum, regarding the relative 'fine-ness' of the Sharpmaker's diamond rods. Many regard them as a little too fine for heavy re-bevelling jobs. Haven't heard about 1095 being as much of an issue there, but it may be worth using something more coarse to re-bevel the edge. Some wet/dry sandpaper wrapped around the rods, in coarse-to-medium grit range (220-400) ought to do the job.
 
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Much appreciated info. Time to haul out the Lansky-DMT hybrid and get to work.

The odd thing is, I have no problem with anything from Case (either steel) or GEC (1095). Oh well...
 
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