Harnds CK6015 Viper

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I got this yesterday (purchased off eBay from sbc_trading) and am rushing out this review.
So if you see any omissions or just want to know more
please post and ask.

This cost me all of $17.99 shipped all the way from Hong Kong -
and I think the knife is exceptional -
with a couple of caveats,
other than that it's a world class knife

It looks pretty substantial and big -




and it is definitely pretty hefty/heavy - at 5.5ozs.

Everything about it is "heavy duty"/rugged -
but not crude.

Size comparison -

with the BenchMade BM-710 Axis and the Enlan Bee L01-MCT that I recently reviewed.

My first impression it was about the same size as the BenchMade 710 Axis -
but as the photo shows it is not - although it is bigger than the Enlan Bee L01-MCT

I really like the lines of this knife - when open it looks like a good looking drop point fixed blade.

Blade is of 9Cr18MoV steel claimed hardness of 58-60HRC
length - 3 7/8" measured to end of the handle, or 4" to the pivot pin.
the thickness at the spine near the opening disc was 0.125" or 1/8" (measured with digital calipers)

Handle is checkered G10 - closed 4 7/8", and 5/8" thick.

tip down carry.

With deep pocket clip -

blade is centered - and depending on how one looks - with a very slight bias away from the liner lock (also see later)


alignment - the liners are thick.

Measured 0.077" thick at the liner-lock using a digital caliper - but by eye and simple ruler at the back, the liner measures approx ~3/32" thick.

Disc opener -

shown with the Enlan L01-MCT and the black BenchMade Elishewitz Stryker.

- for some reason the opening disc was one of the things that made the Enlan Bee L01-MCT seem cheap

But on this Harnds Viper it seems right, and doesn't look cheap -



lock-up is solid and almost full width of the thick liner.

No blade play whatsoever when locked open - no problem with the spine-whack test.

One of the attractiveness is the sheen/finish on the blade - it is a satin finish - but polished.

I think the sheen may be to do with the high chromium (18%) content that it takes a polish well.

The Ken Warner BGG - Folding Hunting Knife that I also reviewed recently uses 10Cr17 steel with 17% chromium - seems to have the same sheen finish


as does this little Ken Warner utility (KW03) also 10Cr17


It is hard to convey by photograph - my first shot probably shows it the best.

OK where are those two caveats?

well both were easy for me to remedy -

(1) the G10 handle is very sharply checkered - looks good
but the edge is "sharp" - I think I may have picked up a couple of splinters -
and G10 is not good news.
I remedied that simply by sanding the the handle -
not with sandpaper -
but with cardboard -
which smoothed out the sharp parts -
and brushing with a toothbrush cleans out the lines and crevices.

(2) my sample was not that sharp -
I have seen a video review that said it was the sharpest knife they've ever bought -
I am not doubting that - but mine was not sharp.

usb microscope pic (~110x) of original edge - it was "OK" but not too good.

I took it to my Work Sharp (belt grinder) Knife Sharpener to grind in a new 20 deg convex edge
and finished on the Work Sharp Knife & Tool Sharpener - Ken Onion Edition

much better - and one can see that high polished sheen on this edge pic (usb microscope about ~110x)
now the knife is really, really sharp and cuts through really well.

(There is some relevance to the old BM-710 Axis -
I got mine when they first came out I recall about the same time as our mod Joe Talmadge -
and the blade was definitely not sharp, and I had to work for several hours to put on a new edge -
compared to less than 1 hour on the two WorkSharps for this Harnds
and the edge is much better than any manual sharpening I can do.)

ah! but there is another caveat - after the sharpening I noticed the bevel was wider on one side - yet I know it was easy to hold the blade vertically up-down.....
so this means that the blade face is not ground vertically symmetrical!

here's an end on photo of the blade using the handle to line things up -


It's almost as if the blade is ground with a "crink" of a multi-bladed folding knife.
(see: Twisted SAK blades? )
in that pic the left side face is more vertical and the right side has more of a slope -
also the right edge of the spine from the tip is more in-line with the handle
so there is more "distal" tapering in on the left side.

Well the asymmetrical grind might be so that it can cut down better for right handers having the left side more vertical....
and the distal tapering could be so the blade would sit centrally in the handle -
but that's just guessing.

I don't think it's bad manufacturing, I'd hazard a guess all the blades are like that - because of automation.

Anyway I think this is a world class knife - even with the two caveats (which were easy for me to remedy)
I am almost certain that the 9Cr18MoV steel is better than the more common 8Cr13MoV on other Chinese knives -
it certainly seems to take a very fine edge as can be seen in the usb microscope pic.

Feedback, questions?

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Chris "Anagarika";12928778 said:
A friend bought this and I am impressed!
Thanks Chris.

Yes, I was impressed too -
enough to rush to review it.

Back to that crinking of the blade -
that photo I posted from the tip - does kind of exaggerate things because of the unusual and extreme perspective -
it really isn't that crooked by any stretch - it is barely noticeable unless one really knew what to look for.

Here's another shot from the other end - again lining up the handle the best I can -

there is a slight offset to the blade....
but from my remarks previously I don't think it is crooked per se -

Look at this same shot - where I drew a straight (red) line along the handle liner -

the spine is aligned to the straight line and notice there is almost no (distal) tapering on the right side -
whereas the distal tapering on the left side kind of makes the blade look crooked -
but I'm kind of nick-picking here - makes no difference to the usability
and I have a ton of SAKs that all have deliberate crinking to the blade and never had a problem
(ref: Twisted SAK blades? )

I commented previously this Harnds Viper locked open looked like a good looking fixed blade -
well, it kind of reminded of this one -

Donald Marlowe handmade model #4 - bought mid-90's from him at a show - it was my first ever handmade knife -
I recall him telling me he had learnt from Bill Moran - especially on sharpening -
and Bill Moran's favorite handle material was aniline dyed curly maple....

Of course now that I look at the pic there are some similarities but they are not that similar -
then I realized what it was -
it must have been in my subconscious -
and I had even failed to mention it in the main review.

The Harnds Viper CK6015 looks good and cuts well because it is a flat ground (and not the more common hollow grind)
That Marlowe is also a flat grind with a very, very slight convex - that's why after all these years and collecting it is still one of the sharpest knives I have.....

There! got it out of my system.

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Good review, I have seen this one around online and will likely buy it sooner or later, looks to be a great knife if a bit big.
 
I have seen this one around online and will likely buy it sooner or later, looks to be a great knife if a bit big.
Thank you.

I think it is tremendous value for money, and good quality in both design and execution.

I would have thought it was a much more expensive knife in both looks and usability.

For its size, found it surprisingly really easy to carry - due to the deep pocket clip -

I had it clipped to my jeans back pocket all day without even noticing it.

Heard from the seller:
I think the offset you talk about is common, I took another to examine and is about the same, one thing I do notice is most of the knives I got is not very sharp, I don't know why they did that, may be safe time I guess.

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Interesting, even if it has it's quirks. The blade profile is very straightforward. I like the overall look of it. Not bad quality given the price, certainly a good entry level folder. The hardness, is right too, if it's no less than 58. I bet edge retention is serviceable. All in all I appreciate the review, it was very informing, and objective.
 
Interesting, even if it has it's quirks. The blade profile is very straightforward. I like the overall look of it. Not bad quality given the price, certainly a good entry level folder. The hardness, is right too, if it's no less than 58. I bet edge retention is serviceable. All in all I appreciate the review, it was very informing, and objective.

Thanks for the review UnkownVT. Great photography.

Thank you for your feedback.

I definitely was enthusiastic - hence rushing to do this review.

I was already pleasantly surprised and impressed with the inexpensive Chinese Enlan Bee L01-MCT -
this Harnds CK6015 Viper - just seemed to me to be a clear cut above that Enlan.

I think it is very good looking to the point I thought it was comparable to my custom handmade fixed blade.

It certainly performs well - can't speak for the edge retention - but the steel and hardness gives one of the best looking/finish edges I have seen under my usb microscope.

Even after some more days - I remain impressed regardless of price -
definitely would have pegged it for a much more expensive knife.

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It'd be cool to see the edge retention of the 9CR18MoV. I don't think it'd be too terrible. Some people have a phobia of these steels. I think they're alright, but still, I think it'd be interesting to test. 8CR13MOV, can take nice edge, in my experience. I don't think 9CR18MoV would disappoint.
 
It'd be cool to see the edge retention of the 9CR18MoV. I don't think it'd be too terrible. Some people have a phobia of these steels. I think they're alright, but still, I think it'd be interesting to test. 8CR13MOV, can take nice edge, in my experience. I don't think 9CR18MoV would disappoint.

According to all I've read 9Cr18MoV is supposed to be better than 8Cr13MoV.

8Cr13MoV got its respect because Spyderco used it -
first they said it was like 440C - then changed their minds saying it was more like AUS8.

So 8Cr13MoV is supposed to be similar to AUS8

zKnives on 8CR13MoV
8Cr13MoV(Ahonest Changjiang) - Chinese steel, used by Spyderco, Kershaw and SOG knives. Quite favorable reviews from those who used it,at least in Spyderco knives. Good budget knife steel.

zKnives on AUS8
AUS8(Aichi) - Aichi steel. Sometimes referred as A8, which isn't correct. More often it's called 8A, which is a common abbreviation. Similar to 440B steel.

So using this logic sequence - 8Cr13MoV would then also be similar to 440B -

BUT 9Cr18Mov has an increase to 0.9% Carbon and to 18% Chromium over 8Cr13Mov -
potentially higher hardness and definitely more stain resistant.

zKnives on 9Cr18MoV
9Cr18MoV(GB) - Chinese equivalent of the 440B steel

So which is right?
either 8Cr13MoV is NOT similar to AUS8 or 440B
or 9Cr18MoV is not the Chinese equivalent of the 440B steel?

Although edge retention is important - it does not concern me as much since I can sharpen my knives quite easily -
obviously if it's a difference between say S30V and 420J2 - then that would be noticeable, and even I would be concerned.

But then I may not be that hard on my knives - I don't cut carpet, rope or cardboard for a living

My EDC for over 20 years is a Victorinox SAK

Victorinox steel - DIN - X55CrMo14 (or DIN 1.4110) - not exactly the most exotic hi-tech steel -
for my usual cutting it has held up fine.

Anyway this Harnds CK6015 Viper has taken one of the best looking finished edges I have seen under my usb microscope.

rivaling only my SAK's edge:


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I'm with you on the SAKS. They take a fierce edge. I don't sweat over steel like a lot of individuals either. Still as you say there are extremes. 440B isn't bad Randall made knives in this steel. You don't see people calling out Randall everyday. I sharpened a friends CRKT Drifter in 8CR13MoV, and it took an insane edge. If this stuff has slightly better edge retention it could be a worthy contender to some higher end knives. I like the scales on your SAK.
 
I'm with you on the SAKS. They take a fierce edge. I don't sweat over steel like a lot of individuals either. Still as you say there are extremes. 440B isn't bad Randall made knives in this steel. You don't see people calling out Randall everyday. I sharpened a friends CRKT Drifter in 8CR13MoV, and it took an insane edge. If this stuff has slightly better edge retention it could be a worthy contender to some higher end knives. I like the scales on your SAK.

OK this is only speculation on my part - the other Harnds knives start at the lower end with 8Cr14MoV -

according to zKnives.com on 8Cr14MoV
8Cr14MoV(Ahonest Changjiang) - Chinese steel, used by Benchmade and CRKT, may be by more knife companies. Similar 8Cr13MoV steel is used by Spyderco. According to Benchmade 8Cr14MoV steel is in the same class as AUS8 steel from Aichi.
so it is at least similar to 8Cr13MoV and BenchMade says it's in the same class as AUS8 -
whereas Spyderco also says 8Cr13MoV is similar to AUS8, (after asserting it was like 440C!)

On paper 8Cr14MoV may be slightly better than 8Cr13MoV - at least it ought to be more corrosion resistant.

Whereas 9Cr18MoV is used in the Harnds top of the line knives -
so unless they have a back@ssward logic -
I think it's reasonable to take a guess/inference that 9Cr18MoV may be better than 8Cr14Mov - (and hence 8Cr13MoV)
everything else being equal of course - otherwise why bother -
Harnds aren't exactly renowned for their marketing......

So I think 9Cr18MoV is at least as good as 8Cr13MoV or 8Cr14MoV -
but more likely better.

But then I like SAK steel and can live with it anytime and have done so for over 20 years for my everyday cutting without much complaint.

Here's another good looking/finished edge under the usb microscope -

it's Victorinox steel again -
this time on a Victorinox Fibrox Santoku (kitchen knife), again at 20deg/side.

Thanks for the discussion -

and thanks for the compliments on my EDC SAK -
please see this long old thread:

My EDC Story - Victorinox Combo Tool Story

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I've been impressed with the quality and performance of this Harnds CK6015 Viper -
another area I touched on was its looks/aesthetics.

I liken it opened to a good looking drop-point fixed blade -

I have two that I consider some of the best looking drop-points
(with due respects to Loveless and George Herron - I realize their significance and desirability -
but I really prefer the looks and lines of my two drop-points - put it down to personal taste)

They are both by the late Bill DeFreest "Gordon" knives -


"Gordon" Bill DeFreest stag handle drop-point.


"Gordon" Bill DeFreest ironwood drop-point custom made for me.







Of course this Harnds was only $18 delivered price
those Gordon knives are now absolutely irreplaceable, and probably $$hundreds......

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