Harness Jack

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Cumberland Knife works has the Harness Jack in 1095 if anyone is a fan.
Limited run of knives. Hope this is not against the forum rules, if so, just kill the
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Educate me please! That second blade is literally for harness work? `kinda an oversize leather punch (NO disrespect meant)??
 
Nice! does it have an edge like a blade? it appears to be perhaps 2.5 to 2.7 inches long...
(that puppy is starting to grow on me)
 
The punch is primarily for making holes in leather. It does have whittling applications too, for advanced woodcarvers. Adjusting harness was the main reason so may were sold in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Most punch patents were taken out between 1902 and the 1920s.
The punch you folks are talking about was modeled after an Empire Knife company punch invented by Seymour Alvord. He found a very effective punch could be made by having an angle in the blade of about 7 degrees, at the leading edge. With a shaped wheel, it was painstakingly ground, very labor intensive compared to Queen's forged punch that achieves the same configuration. Here are the new Schatt and an old Empire compared, and an old advertisement for the punch on a different knife.
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You fellas will find that Waynorth is a leading authority of Harness Jacks. He's gotten a few of us paying attention to knives that many have forgotten over the years. Get one in your hands and you really appreciate the feeling of what a lot of us have come to refer as a "purposeful" knife.

I used to just think a punch was a punch. Thanks to Waynorth's influence I've had a chance to discover each punch design has its own charateristics, both in terms of original design and how it was produced, to how each design performs in leather. I've one that is very versatile in that it can make tiny holes to large, but the large take longer than say another design that just rips big holes fast, though those aren't always as nicely shaped. Then the above design, the Alvord, while not quite as fast as the big biter, makes a large hole only a little slower, but it is a nicer, neater hole.

Like I said, my experience is limited and recent, thanks to help on here. While I may never have a large collection of Harness Jacks, I've come to really appreciate a darn good pattern. Of the three different HJs I have, all designed and commissioned by a fellow forumite with a deep knowledge of the Harness Jack, ;) I've three different punch designs that cover quite a range of capabilities. Those three practically make up a leather working kit. Not much more to add for sheath and harness work, unless you want to get fancy with the tooling.
 
The Schatt & Morgan equal end HJ (ebony scales/1095 blades) is my undisputed favorite EDC. This past weekend, I went to my nephew's 3rd birthday party and I brought him a tin wind-up train, a wooden train whistle and a little chrome sheriff's badge. My wife wouldn't let me give him a pocket knife. She's probably right, the kid can't go two minutes without some kind of injury.
Regardless, he was having some trouble with the ribbon tied around the presents, so I whipped out the HJ and his eyes went right to it. He took both hands off the packages, pointed at the knife and asked "where'd you get that?!" with a very serious tone. I just smiled and said "when you're a little older, you've got one waiting" and helped him unwrap the train.

I really like everything about the HJ - and apparently, it's built into our DNA to like the looks of this knife, because the three year old looked like he wanted to wrestle me to the ground for it.

I'll tell you, it's sharp right out of the box, a simple jack knife that's extremely pocket freindly. It looks great and feels perfect in my hand. I haven't hit it to the stone yet, so I can't comment on edge holding. Favorite knife so far - without question.
 
I'm very new to knife collecting. I find myself attracted to knives that are new but have that "Ole Timey" look and feel. The Harness Jacks are gorgeous.

Is Ebony a wood? If it is, is that it's natural color or is it dyed? Also has it been stabilized?

I love the black I just want to know if it is durable for an EDC.
 
Ebony is my favorite handle material for the antique slipjoints that I collect. If I can round up the cash for one of those new harness jacks, I will get one with ebony scales.

I have one antique with the Alvord punch, it is a Challenge cattle knife. It is tang stamped Challenge Cutlery Co, and has the patent number on the other side of the tang. Punch blade supplied by Empire? Made by Challenge under license from Empire? Contract made by Empire? I'll never know.
 
Just received my Schatt & Morgan Harness Jack (crimson jigged bone & 1095 blade) from Cumberland Knifeworks. Very nice quality knife! There are no flaws with this knife that I can see so far. Everything is tight and clean. No rub marks on the blades and lots of snap. My only complaint is the butter knife edge that Queen puts on their knives. A few minutes with a coarse diamond stone followed by my Sharpmaker should solve that problem.
 
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