Hartsfield Mini Kozuka

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Since a previous thread recently addressed Phil Hartsfield knives I thought I would relate my recent experience with this makers work.I received a Mini Kozuka from a dealer that was priced at 495$.I had anxiously awaited the arrival of this "famous" makers work.Boy was I ever disappointed!!The fit and finish on this thing was so unbelievably crude I couldn't not comment here.The blade had sanding/grinding marks that looked like a 180 grit was the final polish.I'm not kidding,it looked like somebody dragged it behind a car!! The handle was wrapped in what appeared to be some kind of cheap shoelace material.The ostrich sheath looked pretty good externally but appeared to have cardboard inside. For 495$$$$$$$$!!!!! Pathetic. A good lesson though on the value of bring able to see knives from a dealer and send them back if you're not happy. Imagine waiting two years for a knife, getting a piece of crap like that and being stuck with it.From now on, if I want that type of piece, I'll stick with Randy Martin or Don Polzien where you get MORE than what you paid for.Don,t go on reputation alone or you may get a rude surprise!!!!
 
I wish you guys would learn to express yourselves a little better. Dont keep things bottled in, tell us what you really think.

Ok, my 2 cents on Phil. Phil, is responsible for the chisel ground tanto market in the US today. So we have to give him credit for that. Phil started the path, which as all of us path starters know, its much easier to follow the path then to start it.

I bought my first Hartsfield knife 12 years ago. I got one of his Strong Boys for $250.00 an exceptional bargain as the catalog price was $550.00 (the price is now $850). For those of you who go back this far, this is when the Tanto, mostly due to Bob Lum was one of the hottest knives in the US.

It took me 2 1/2 years to resell that knife.
In all that time I only had two offers on that knife. True, I wasnt the dealer I am today, but I did shows, advertised and sent out a list.

Because of my involvement in Martial Arts. I was always asked how come you dont carry the Japanese type knives. My answer was always, I cant find a knife that is worth the money being asked for it. Then at the 1994 Guild Show I ran into RJ Martin. He had an exact copy of the strong boy, except is was better finished. I asked the price he told me it was an incredible $450.00. I bought that knife and 3 others and have been ordering them 10 at a time since.

RJ Martins work has a superior fit and finish. He has a Sami and silk cord wrapped handle, not a shoe string and epoxy handle like Phil's. Personally, I think that RJ's are sharper as well. I dropped one on my kitchen table one day, it slid sideways. The blade shaved the lacquer off but did not hurt the wood (wife still doesnt know).

I understand why collectors want Phil's work.
The great thing about knife collecting is that you can buy what you want. But dont buy just because of hype.

Two other points, some years back Jim Piorek called me and asked me about being his dealer. I agreed, however once we met face to face, I declined his offer. The details are not important. The fact is simply I chose not to do business with him. Much like collecting knives, I chose who I want to work with.

The other point, is that RJ Martin and I have become very good friends over the last four years. Friendship does not cloud my judgement on the quality of a knife or knvies. Those of you who doubt this call RJ and ask him.

Another maker to watch in the Japanese Tactical market is Don Polzien. He has been working with RJ, via the phone and email. I think you will be impressed with his tacticals. His first ones are due out this week. Ill let you know what I think. Not trying to Steal Dexter's Thunder, but he cant look at all of them, can he?

This is not a anti-Hartsfield thread. So those of you who have had positive experience s with Phil's work please chime in!

Les
 
I have some of Hartsfield's stuff and I think it actually has artistic value, and I like it.

I've also had Randy make me some stuff and I _strongly_ recommend his work to other people. Besides being a good guy his stuff is first rate. I always tell people that some of his stuff is like refined Hartsfield. Randy is the best value by far if you are into the Japanese style stuff.


--Doug
 
At the recent Bay Area knife show, somebody had a PH peice of around 16" overall for sale, a sort of "Kukri-ish" affair with an ultra-small guardless grip.

Quite nice, in 1/4" stock A2 with his usual somewhat rough finish on the steel probably similar to the Mini Kozuka.

I wouldn't mind owning it a bit, I'd be willing to pay in the $300 range for it.

At a bit over $1,900 asking price? Ummm, no.

Here's to the day Mad Dog gets that monster oven online and gets more serious about swords. The day that happens, ol' Phil is gonna have a hard time selling his Katanaoids for $6,000+.

Jim March
 
Gentlemen: I would like to clarify a point made in this thread. As stated in my website, I DO use nylon as the wrapping material on all of my Japanese knives. The only exception is the Nagano Tanto, where I use genuine silk lacing. When impregnated with epoxy, there is no difference in the durability or functionn of the two materials, and the nylon helps keep the price down.

As for Mr. Hartsfield, he makes what he makes, and charges what he wants. That's called free enterprise, and, there's nothing wrong with that. What's criminal to me is that people cannot seem to decide on their own what is quality and what isn't. Fortunately, through education and experience, knife buyers are becoming more independent in their thinking, and judging quality based on the product, not the name scratched on it.

Someday, some young kid will probably be taking shots at me, on a site like this!!

For now, I'll just keep trying to make each one better than the last, and remembering that, it's just a knife.

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Hey Randy-

See you at NY!!

For Japanese stuff with a realistic delivery
there is really only one choice, thats RJ Martin.

I have held many of his competitors and for the money, you cant beat the Martin value.
I would love a RJ Martin Kwaiken in a JSP static cord sheath, simply because that JSP IWB sheath is the finest I have ever used. Period. Oh and long live A2!

But Im probably dreamin...


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Anthony P. Lombardo
-will destroy knives for
food-

 
Hi Tom,

My understanding was that the moderator, because he gives so freely of his vast knowledge. Is supposed to have his libations taken care of by those who partake of his knowledge.

I dont drink beer, so a coke or pepsi would be fine. Preferably cold, and a glass of ice wouldnt hurt. Im not easy, but Im worth it.

See Ya at the show!

Les
 
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