Has COLD STEEL Gone Too Far?

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Just looked over my new Cold Steel catalog and was surprised by how many of their folders were using the beefier Tri-Ad lock system. Prices were up dramatically, and it made me wonder how many people would spend the extra money on folder strength viz blade quality (and by "quality" I mean blade composition, not heat treat, etc.) Many people turn their noses up at AUS-8 and VG-1, but they keep the prices down and are decent performers, in my view.

There were four things Cold Steel could have done: 1) nothing, just continue with their present line; 2) improve their construction; 3) improve their steel to VG-10 or S30V; or 4) both (construction and steel).

The lockback design, in the opinion of many, is strong enough for most purposes. Likewise, the steel quality is more than adequate for the price. But boosting the strength of the knife construction and the prices of the knives is, to me, just the wrong way to go.

Three of the things I like about CS knives are their prices, their strength and their blade quality (and this time I do mean heat treat, etc.) I don't want to spend over a hundred bucks for a folder, and CS had many great knives that came in below that. Even their 4-inch 440A knives could be worked to blister-popping sharpness in seconds -- and they stayed sharper than many of my other knives. (I had several Boker Magnum 440A knives that weren't sharp out of the box, much less could they be sharpened later.)

All in all, I've found CS's steels to be very good. Their AUS-8 is about the best AUS-8 around, and their prices were pretty reasonable, too. In other words, their knives were a great balance between cost and quality.

The question now is, has Cold Steel gone too far? In your knife, which is more important, blade steel or strength in construction? And is the boost in strength in CS's knives worth the boost in price? Is CS's choice of steels adequate?

My own take is that I wanted a selection of folders that weren't quite as expensive as Spyderco's. And I liked the extra blade length CS offered.

What do you think? The present administration has taken the position that inflation is pretty much "zero." My knife catalogs don't really reflct that. How about yours?
 
which knives are you referring to? I just received the Fall 2010 catalog a few days ago, and with the exception of the Espada series and the largest of the Rajahs they are all under $100, and that is ordering directly from Cold Steel and paying their retail prices. A quick search online turned up many of their new tri-ad folders for about $60, including the Recon 1, the American Lawman, the Spartan, and the AK-47. The Rajah's run about $50-90 online depending on which size you want. I do wish they would upgrade their steel, but I've found their AUS-8 to be done well. It's tough and sharpens up easily, and holds its edge reasonably well. It may not be the latest super hard alloy, but it is a good working man's steel. I'm looking forward to the new Voyagers in 2011 if they can keep the 4" version under about $75
 
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I recently picked up a Lawman, on the endorsement of Morimotom and others, and have been impressed by its quality. Admittedly this is the only CS blade I own, but Ive enjoyed making it an EDC beater. Wasn't too sharp out of the box, but that was easily remedied. Fit/Finish was good to go. Big, beefy blade/lock...locks up like a tank. Im taking it to Iraq in Jan with my ESEE 3 MilCP to see how it holds up under some true day2day stress.

All in all, I think I got a deal...I paid $60 at the PX. Heck of a value, far as Im concerned. As this is my first CS, Im not sure about the raise in prices... but I dont feel like I paid an inordinate amount for what I received.
 
If I had a gripe, it would basically be the bead-blast they use on a lot of their blades now.

Jim
 
I like Cold Steel for fixed blades, their folders have never appealed to me. I think though since they no longer make Carbon-V the quality isn't what it used to be. Not bad, but was better.
 
I have the new mini AK-47 and while I like the new lock and the handle design I think the thin blade stock steel used is somewhat crappy. The mini AK-47 is the first Cold Steel knife I have purchased in many years and overall it's nice for the money but they really need to use a thicker steel on the blade to make it much better. I think they cut corners on the mini AK.
 
If the new Voyager models had come out this year I would have just posted a bunch of pictures of those and raved about them for a few paragraphs.

It's difficult to say whether Cold Steel is going to do better as a company by raising prices and beefing up their products. The average person doesn't always care for overall design and quality. What I can say for sure is that I am increasingly attracted by the new direction.
VG-1 is a very close relative of VG-10, it should be a bit tougher but not hold an edge quite as well. When they put out fixed blades and folders in VG-1, I consider them fairly comparable to knives in VG-10. It is not competing with S30V and is a far cry from ZDP-189 and S90V, that said, the combination of VG-1 and the Tri-Ad lock in large folders is nearly ideal. If the Espada series would have used VG-1 I would have bought several of them by now. As is the Tri-Ad Voyagers are headed to be some of the best utility knives ever made. If they would use G-10 instead of Grivory I would compare them directly with the ZT0200 or Spyderco Military (last report was that the new Voyagers would have a distal taper full flat grind. We'll have to wait and see if that actually happens).
 
To my mind the only real property of value that CS has where folders are concened is the Tri-Ad lock. I like their fixed blades but as far as folders go I dont see the appeal.

If they released a line of folders with good, satin finish steel and the Tri-Ad lock I would definitely sit up and pay attention.

But otherwise I feel there isnt enough there to get excited about. I would rather pay a bit more and get Spyderco, Kershaw/ZT or Benchmade.
 
CS prices also fluctuate with exchange rates, it's all imported product. Plan on seeing prices rise further if the tries to bump exports and fight deflation.
 
One thing where CS might have gone too far is the SMIII blades in their new Voyagers...but that might change as the new Voyagers aren't on their site anymore. SMIII blades in this case just make the knives more expensive and that's it. Flatgrind is possible with pure VG-1 blades.
 
I also received the new CS catalog a few days ago. The prices seemed about the same, but the selection seems to have shrunk. I usually enjoy looking at CS catalogs because they seem to offer so many unique designs. I own only a few CS knives, a couple of Spike neck knives and a Black Talon folder (built like a tank). I might buy more if they upgraded their steel. I'm not a huge fan of AUS 8, because I prefer to buy knives made from US steels. I also think AUS 8 is mediocre steel, inferior to mid- to higher range US steels such as 154CM or even 440C. I also hate the fact that American knife makers send production offshore, costing American jobs.
 
CS prices also fluctuate with exchange rates, it's all imported product. Plan on seeing prices rise further if the tries to bump exports and fight deflation.

That is the most interesting post I have read regarding Cold Steel, that's a brilliant observation. I hope that means Cold Steel can start producing in the US in the future.

As to OP, who pays retail prices for Cold Steel? Just wait until dealers get back-stocked and have at it...:D

I think the Tri-Ad should be on everything, then again, I am a southpaw so my opinion is the major minority.

The Rajah 2 is a revelation to those of us who carry a knife for protection and don't care to carry a fixed blade for whatever reason. I wish it were in 154cm that would make it 150 bucks, but I would pay it.
 
CS partnering up with Demko has been the best thing they have done. The Tri-Ad lock should be on everything. As far as the topic, when it comes to quality, you can never go too far. Keep going CS!
 
Just looked over my new Cold Steel catalog and was surprised by how many of their folders were using the beefier Tri-Ad lock system. Prices were up dramatically, and it made me wonder how many people would spend the extra money on folder strength viz blade quality (and by "quality" I mean blade composition, not heat treat, etc.) Many people turn their noses up at AUS-8 and VG-1, but they keep the prices down and are decent performers, in my view.

There were four things Cold Steel could have done: 1) nothing, just continue with their present line; 2) improve their construction; 3) improve their steel to VG-10 or S30V; or 4) both (construction and steel).

The lockback design, in the opinion of many, is strong enough for most purposes. Likewise, the steel quality is more than adequate for the price. But boosting the strength of the knife construction and the prices of the knives is, to me, just the wrong way to go.

Three of the things I like about CS knives are their prices, their strength and their blade quality (and this time I do mean heat treat, etc.) I don't want to spend over a hundred bucks for a folder, and CS had many great knives that came in below that. Even their 4-inch 440A knives could be worked to blister-popping sharpness in seconds -- and they stayed sharper than many of my other knives. (I had several Boker Magnum 440A knives that weren't sharp out of the box, much less could they be sharpened later.)

All in all, I've found CS's steels to be very good. Their AUS-8 is about the best AUS-8 around, and their prices were pretty reasonable, too. In other words, their knives were a great balance between cost and quality.

The question now is, has Cold Steel gone too far? In your knife, which is more important, blade steel or strength in construction? And is the boost in strength in CS's knives worth the boost in price? Is CS's choice of steels adequate?

My own take is that I wanted a selection of folders that weren't quite as expensive as Spyderco's. And I liked the extra blade length CS offered.

What do you think? The present administration has taken the position that inflation is pretty much "zero." My knife catalogs don't really reflct that. How about yours?

interesting....i just posted a video along the same lines about the Spyderco Tenacious (got a lot of wise ass comments....shocking I know especially on this forum) in order to raise the issue of what contributes to cost. I would think they are just testing the market. Also, dont forget, a lot of folks think that if it cost more it MUST be better and will pay for it.......
 
I am relatively new to knives and the knife community. Generally, I am not a fan of Cold Steel purely from a design perspective (I find them to be too clitch-y for my taste.)

As far as knife and steel quality go, I am not qualified to speak about it. Inflation, however, is something I am qualified to speak about. Generally, inflation is a very broad measure covering pretty much anything and everything that we buy (also, depending on the measure, excluding energy or food.) At no point is inflation a good measure to define the price of any specific good or service --in this case CS knives. Also, there has been significant inflation in base metals which can account for the rise in prices.

That is all, of course, not mention that there is a lot of skittishness regarding the country's future. This is best reflected in the price of gold (and other precious metals) and other items treasured by the half of the country not thrilled with the direction of the country.
 
I don't see many other "knife" companies producing as wide range of products as cs and and still producing some of the best knives you can get for your money. At the same time they are constantly pushing the envelope to see how far it can go.

It's really sad to say...being a pro-american buyer. That it's hard to compete with them as to what they're able to do.

Thanks CS and Andrew for some awesome products. I wish it was americans producing them for you.
 
I don't see many other "knife" companies producing as wide range of products as cs and and still producing some of the best knives you can get for your money. At the same time they are constantly pushing the envelope to see how far it can go.

It's really sad to say...being a pro-american buyer. That it's hard to compete with them as to what they're able to do.

Thanks CS and Andrew for some awesome products. I wish it was americans producing them for you.

As an aside, I never understood the idea that one should "buy American" almost exclusively. The money saved for a given good produced overseas enables investment in the US. Its actually a win-win situation. Whether or not the quality of a given product is the same is a different question.
 
As an aside, I never understood the idea that one should "buy American" almost exclusively. The money saved for a given good produced overseas enables investment in the US. Its actually a win-win situation. Whether or not the quality of a given product is the same is a different question.

...time to quote the quote that you quoted me

I love all cs products.

"I JUST wish it was americans producing them."

...not a bunch of little zippers that work for peanuts.

and it's NOT win-win, when there are 15 million+ americans out of work...because of many companies like cs that have factories in asia.

They can make the same products in USA. They just wouldn't be able to use VG-1 anymore for their steels. Because, the zippers are smart and don't allow their goods to be exported. Something America should do with our goods...if we could.

That and they wouldn't have as high bottom line that they do now...well unless they sell more products even though they cost more.
Some people may not mind paying a little xtra for MADE IN THE USA?

Sadly, many others like me, just can't afford that little bit xtra...mainly due to our economy the way it is.
 
So it's better to spend less money on your hobby by buying foreign goods, and invest the leftovers in local business, rather than spending all your money on local businesses that service your hobby?

:confused:
 
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