Have you guys seen this from Sheffields Richards before?

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Hi everyone,
Now first I must apologise, as this isnt a high end knife-by any means...

What struck me as very different with this knife ...is this I have seen Delrin used on American made knives, some German etc..but never have I seen Delrin used by the Sheffieds Richards..well at least not like this...I think it looks as good as it gets compared to the real thing ( Stag of course ).
I bought the knife-as it was only a few dollars, I knew by even the VERY poor photo quality that there was something very wrong-the chrome bottle opener against the Carbon blade & saw etc..but though it was worth the money for a looksee..I thought it was worth putting up and asking if you had seen the lower end pocket knives by Richards do this before with Delrin?
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Thanks for looking-have a great night people.
Duncan
 
I have never owned a S-R knife, so can't give any constructive first hand knowledge.
I would bet 20 or 30 cents (I'm not 100% certain and I'm cheap :D) that those aren't the original scales .

I've owned quite a few Schrade and Schrade Walden Uncle Henry knives with the Stagalon scales. There is some variation of coloring on those. The ones I really like have more orangish and brown coloring. Most seem to be a lighter yellowish tone.

Even in the older ones, users or safe queens, I've never noticed any shrinkage of the scales. I really like the looks of the ones on your knife.

I hope this made a little bit of sense. I took an Ambien about a half hour ago :D
 
338375 said:
I have never owned a S-R knife, so can't give any constructive first hand knowledge.
I would bet 20 or 30 cents (I'm not 100% certain and I'm cheap :D) that those aren't the original scales .

I've owned quite a few Schrade and Schrade Walden Uncle Henry knives with the Stagalon scales. There is some variation of coloring on those. The ones I really like have more orangish and brown coloring. Most seem to be a lighter yellowish tone.

Even in the older ones, users or safe queens, I've never noticed any shrinkage of the scales. I really like the looks of the ones on your knife.

I hope this made a little bit of sense. I took an Ambien about a half hour ago :D
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Hey there Mike...thanks for your time in answering..you could have a point...
why would someone go to the trouble of re-scaling a knife like that?...also...since you said that...I have had a darn good look at it..and I just cannot tell that it has been rescaled...mind you..what would you look for?
 
I'm definitely no expert Duncan, but I would think if it had been rescaled, you would be able to see a distinct difference in coloring on the edges where it had been ground to fit. But, what are the odds of finding scales in that material, that would match the rivet pattern of your knife ?

Now my curiosity is peaked :D I'm curious to know when your knife was made, and what the first year was Schrade used Stagalon on the Uncle Henrys. I use to know, but like a lot of things I forgot :confused:

Trying to put the time frame puzzle together.

This may be a good one for Mr. Levine
 
338375 said:
I'm definitely no expert Duncan, but I would think if it had been rescaled, you would be able to see a distinct difference in coloring on the edges where it had been ground to fit. But, what are the odds of finding scales in that material, that would match the rivet pattern of your knife ?

Now my curiosity is peaked :D I'm curious to know when your knife was made, and what the first year was Schrade used Stagalon on the Uncle Henrys. I use to know, but like a lot of things I forgot :confused:

Trying to put the time frame puzzle together.

This may be a good one for Mr. Levine
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Ok the game is on!! lol
I have looked at quite a few hundred, possibly thousands of knives, now when seeing guys like wellington, roland, charlie...whom have quite a few knives..they must have looked at many many more knives...and they may have noticed something?...maybe, maybe not, but the staglon used is sorta cool...I hope you agree...if not...maybe I as a Car Painter for over 20 years have had a little too much solvent abuse possibly :o
The thing is the knife is of low manufacure end, and going to all that much trouble seems pretty out there!...mind you...I did get married to my ex wife...so things like this do happen :D
Thank you Mike, to be honest...because this was of such low quality I was a bit reluctant to put this up.
 
I agree with it being cool looking. It has great color... After looking at the pics a couple times, it hit me. The stag qualities really seem more pronounced than the Stagalon on most Schrade knives IMHO.
Sometimes learning the story or history behind a knife, is more fun than owning and using it :D
I could see Schrade offering that very knife with the Stagalon scales, and IMHO it would probably would have been a good seller.

As I understand the history, Schrade was the one that originally came up with the Stagalon. I'm really wondering if someone else, actually used it before Schrade ?

Maybe its my simple mind, and the fact it doesn't take much to entertain me, but your knife is really making my mind wander. In a good way :D

Irregardless of the outcome of the history of the knife, it is still a cool looking old knife
 
I'm thinking that the stag jigged and dyed delrin scales were put on at the same time the new can opener was fitted. I would guess that it had celluloid scales and when the new scales were made not enough allowance was made for the shrinkage that had occurred, that is if the fellow doing the work used the old scales as patterns for these. Or perhaps the cutler just finished them a tad small. Anyway the work on the jigging on the delrin is really very good.

It is a pretty decent knife. Seems a bit unusual with the scaler-disgorger blade. It must have been intended as a small fisherman's utility knife. I'd like to see that pattern available again.

Ed
 
By way of comparison, here is an original Richards, with the pressed-steel scales. All the Richards knives I have seen have the same construction.

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Note the can opener and cap lifter, which look identical to yours. Richards must have mixed and matched a number of standard parts. There is no fourth blade on mine, where you would expect to see a punch, but just a washer to serve as a spacer. The master blade, however, is krinked to accommodate a fourth blade.

If the scales were replaced, the bail was too. The bail on mine is just a bent wire.
 
isaur... cheers for that...well, after Mike put up his comments..i have looked so hard at this knife, I have come to the conclusion that this has not been re-scaled.
Please dont get me wrong..I totally agree..all of these knives are constucted the same...hence me putting this up foe discussion, its most certainly NOT a collector...but I just have not seen one like this before...hey...never mind, sometimes I guess you will never find the answers.
Have a great day!
 
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